From Rant Bridges to Big Deals: Taylor Swift’s Songwriting Cred & New York Times Interview
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This episode of 13, a Taylor Swift fan podcast, dives deep into the recent New York Times Magazine interview with Taylor Swift, celebrating her recognition as one of the 30 greatest living American songwriters. The hosts analyze her candid reflections on her songwriting process—particularly her love for structural storytelling, lyrical twists, and the 'rant bridge'—and highlight how her insights validate long-standing fan theories. They also discuss her groundbreaking 2018 contract with Universal Music Group, which mandates that profits from UMG’s sale of Spotify shares be distributed to all artists on the roster, benefiting hundreds including Kendrick Lamar and Ariana Grande. The conversation shifts to her recent trademark filings to protect her voice, name, and likeness from AI misuse, a proactive move amid rising deepfake concerns. The hosts reflect on her long-term vision, resilience, and commitment to artist advocacy, even during her most controversial periods. They close with playful speculation about a mysterious countdown, a listener voicemail about alphabetizing Taylor’s songs, and a trending rumor about her and Travis Kelce investing in a Kentucky Derby horse—though the truth remains under an NDA.
Taylor Swift was named one of the 30 greatest living American songwriters by the New York Times, joining legends like Carole King and Stevie Wonder.
Her 2018 UMG contract includes a clause ensuring that profits from Spotify stock sales benefit all artists on the label—not just her.
She is proactively protecting her digital identity by trademarking her voice and likeness to combat AI deepfakes and unauthorized commercial use.
Her songwriting philosophy centers on structure, lyrical twists, and emotionally charged 'rant bridges'—validated by her own words in the interview.
She has long advocated for artists’ rights, having previously pulled her music from streaming services when payment models were unfair.
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Welcome to 13: The Taylor Swift Fan Podcast
The hosts introduce the podcast, set the tone for the episode, and outline the major topics to be covered, including the New York Times interview, UMG/Spotify deal, AI trademarking, and a mysterious countdown.
Taylor Swift Named One of America's Greatest Songwriters
“I believe in structure of a song. Verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus again.”
The Power of the Rant Bridge and Songwriting Craft
“I don’t like to have a word end with the same letter that the next word starts with.”
Taylor’s 2018 UMG Contract: A Game-Changer for Artists
“Everyone, all of your artists that are signed to your label to get a portion of the profit from selling shares if you ever sell your Spotify shares.”
Protecting Her Identity: AI Trademarks and Digital Rights
“It's just like, it's getting into really, really icky territory when it comes to the AI deep fakes and things like that.”
“Everyone, all of your artists that are signed to your label to get a portion of the profit from selling shares if you ever sell your Spotify shares.”
“I was like, I don't like the real low. So it's turned into when you talk real slow.”
“I believe in structure of a song. Verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus again.”
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Taylor Swift
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Universal Music Group
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Spotify
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New York Times Magazine
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Travis Kelce
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Jack Antonoff
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Ellen DeGeneres
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Justin Bieber
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Ariana Grande
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Kendrick Lamar
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