Was it Worth it, Pam?
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In this episode of Amicus, Dahlia Lithwick and co-host Mark Joseph Stern dissect the fallout from the Supreme Court's oral arguments in the landmark birthright citizenship case, where President Trump made history by attending in person—only to be met with apparent disdain from the justices. The episode critiques the Trump administration's legal overreach, focusing on the ousting of Attorney General Pamela Jo Bondi, whom they describe as one of the most destructive AGs in U.S. history due to her erosion of DOJ independence, abusive enforcement of political vendettas, and contempt for judicial authority. Stern and Lithwick contrast Bondi’s failure to deliver on Trump’s demand to imprison his enemies with the structural limits of the rule of law, arguing that even the most loyal enforcers cannot override constitutional protections like due process and jury trials. They also analyze the Supreme Court’s recent decision in *Childs v. Salazar*, which struck down state laws banning conversion therapy for LGBTQ youth by elevating religiously motivated speech over professional standards and child welfare, with even liberal justices joining a decision that undermines medical regulation. The episode ends on a note of sobering realism: while Trump’s political power may be waning, the Supreme Court remains a powerful, unyielding institution that continues to inflict harm through inconsistent and ideologically driven rulings.
Pam Bondi’s tenure as AG was marked by the systematic dismantling of DOJ independence and the weaponization of law enforcement against political opponents.
Trump’s attempt to intimidate the Supreme Court by attending oral arguments backfired, reinforcing the Court’s institutional authority over the executive.
The birthright citizenship case exposed the fragility of the administration’s legal arguments, which were historically incoherent and legally unsound.
The *Childs v. Salazar* decision grants sweeping First Amendment protection to conversion therapy, undermining professional standards and child safety.
Even liberal justices joined the *Childs* ruling, signaling a troubling willingness to prioritize religious speech over public health and civil rights.
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Pam Bondi’s Exit and Legacy
“I think this is more good than bad because Bondi's legacy, it was so atrocious day in and day out, even though she'll be replaced by someone who is similarly evil. It is always welcome to see someone so profoundly malicious leave the government.”
The Birthright Citizenship Case and Trump’s Appearance
“He wanted to stare down the justices, remind them at least three of them who appointed them and got them there because he still seems to think that they care deeply about that.”
The Failure of Loyalty: Bondi and Blanche
The discussion turns to Todd Blanche’s appointment as interim AG, with the hosts warning that he will likely repeat Bondi’s failures, including attacking the judiciary and obstructing justice.
The Supreme Court’s Rejection of Trump’s Legal Arguments
“Sauer found himself in a bit of the same bind that Bondi was in, right? Like no amount of loyalty can actually make a legal argument for you, at least not a winning one.”
“The Supreme Court has just granted that speech the highest form of constitutional protection, specifically when it occurs in the context of paid professional therapy.”
“This is our Supreme Court. And this is going to be how cases get decided for a very, very long time.”
“The answer is that this court applies its First Amendment doctrine very unevenly and winds up treating like progressive coded speech with a much more jaundiced and hostile eye than it does other kinds of speech.”
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Pamela Jo Bondi
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John Sauer
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Todd Blanche
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Justice Neil Gorsuch
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Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson
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Justice Sonia Sotomayor
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Justice Elena Kagan
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Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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