Rebroadcast: They work full-time jobs. Why are they homeless?
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This rebroadcast of Apple News Today's 'In Conversation' episode features journalist Brian Goldstone discussing his Pulitzer Prize-winning book, *There Is No Place For Us: Working and Homeless in America*, which exposes the growing crisis of working homeless families in the United States. Goldstone, inspired by his wife’s work as a nurse practitioner, delves into the stories of five Atlanta families—like Celeste Walker, a cancer patient forced out of housing despite her job, and Britt Wilkinson, who won a Section 8 voucher only to lose it due to landlord stigma and a loophole in the Low Income Housing Tax Credit program. The episode reveals how systemic failures—from stagnant wages and skyrocketing rents to predatory private equity ownership and discriminatory housing policies—trap millions of working people in unstable, often deplorable conditions like extended stay hotels, despite their full-time employment. Goldstone emphasizes that the official homeless count vastly underrepresents the true scale, with the real number potentially six times higher. He calls for urgent policy reforms, including eliminating non-refundable application fees, enforcing habitability laws, and adopting a social housing model like Vienna’s, while stressing that lasting change must come from grassroots movements and a cultural shift recognizing housing as a fundamental right, not a privilege.
Over 740,000 people are officially counted as homeless in the U.S., but the real number—factoring in working homeless—is likely six times higher.
No U.S. state or metro area allows a full-time minimum wage worker to afford a two-bedroom apartment.
Section 8 housing vouchers are awarded via lottery, and over 1,000 often expire before being used due to landlord refusal.
Private equity firms increasingly own rental properties and use aggressive eviction tactics, even for minor late payments.
Extended stay hotels have become de facto for-profit homeless shelters with poor conditions and no tenant protections.
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Introduction and Pulitzer Recognition
Host Shamita Basu introduces the rebroadcast of a conversation with Brian Goldstone, author of the Pulitzer Prize-winning book *There Is No Place For Us*, which explores the lives of working homeless families in America.
Celeste Walker’s Story: The Definition of Homelessness
“She said she couldn't separate her family and she left empty-handed. That was a gutting realization for her, and it was a shocking realization for me to see that even her cancer didn't render her what this caseworker referred to as vulnerable enough to qualify for assistance.”
The Scale of the Crisis: Beyond the Official Count
“There's just a growing chasm between what people are earning and what it costs to keep a roof over your head.”
Britt Wilkinson’s Voucher Lottery and the Landlord Barrier
“After miraculously winning this voucher in the lottery, she ends up losing it when it expires. She can't find anyone to take it.”
The LIHTC Loophole and Mass Evictions
Britt finds temporary relief in a LIHTC-funded apartment, but her landlord exploits a loophole to sell the property to a developer, leading to mass evictions during the pandemic.
“We've allowed it to be hoarded. We've allowed for it to be stockpiled by a few actors and then it's just auctioned off. And the lucky few who are able to afford it, yeah, they get housing. But the many, many, many more who are actually powering this country... they're left out.”
“The same private equity firms and kind of Wall Street investors who are buying up vast swaths of America's rental properties are also cornering the market on the places where people go once they lose their housing.”
“She said she couldn't separate her family and she left empty-handed. That was a gutting realization for her, and it was a shocking realization for me to see that even her cancer didn't render her what this caseworker referred to as vulnerable enough to qualify for assistance.”
Host
Guest
Brian Goldstone
person
Atlanta
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Britt Wilkinson
person
Celeste Walker
person
Maurice and Natalia
person
Section 8
other
Georgia
place
Low Income Housing Tax Credit
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Gateway Center
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Trump administration
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