AvTalk Episode 370: The man collecting Spirit’s pieces
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In AvTalk Episode 370, hosts Ian Pechnick and Jason Rabinowitz dive into the aftermath of Spirit Airlines' sudden collapse, spotlighting Steve Giordano of Nomadic Aviation Group, who led the rapid, complex operation to move nearly two dozen Spirit aircraft into long-term storage. Giordano recounts the logistical nightmare of coordinating with over a dozen leasing companies, securing pilots through a WhatsApp group of stranded Spirit crew, and navigating legal hurdles after the airline’s operating certificate was abruptly severed. The episode also covers the tragic Denver Airport runway incident where a person intentionally walked onto a runway and was struck by a Frontier A321neo, resulting in an engine fire and 12 injuries during evacuation—highlighting critical gaps in airport security and emergency response. Additional segments include FedEx’s quiet return of grounded MD-11s to service, Lufthansa Group’s expansion of its stake in ETA Airways, Air India’s summer flight cuts due to fuel costs, and a runway overrun in New Zealand caused by a miscommunication between pilots. The hosts also critique the FAA’s delayed rollout of transponder-equipped ground vehicles, despite available funding, and express skepticism over Boeing’s undisclosed 135 net orders, which could signal a major industry shift. Key takeaways include: 1) The importance of pre-emptive planning for airline failures, especially with complex asset ownership; 2) The critical role of crew solidarity and rapid mobilization during crises; 3) The urgent need for improved airport surface safety systems, including transponder-equipped ground vehicles; 4) The human cost behind airline collapses, as seen in Spirit’s stranded pilots; 5) The danger of over-reliance on older aircraft like the CRJ200, which may remain in service for another 20 years despite safety and efficiency concerns; 6) The need for better coordination between airlines, regulators, and emergency responders during incidents; 7) The risks of delayed decision-making in crisis management, as seen in the Denver runway event; and 8) The importance of transparency in aviation safety and operations, especially when public funds are involved.
Pre-emptive coordination with leasing companies and pilots is essential when an airline collapses.
Pilot networks and informal communication channels can be critical during aviation emergencies.
Airport surface safety systems, like transponder-equipped ground vehicles, must be prioritized despite available funding.
Miscommunication between flight crew can lead to serious safety incidents, even if no physical damage occurs.
The longer aircraft remain unsecured after an airline failure, the greater the risk of asset degradation.
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Spirit Airlines' Collapse and the Race to Move 20+ Aircraft
“We had crews – this was a miracle, to be honest with you. Trigger was pulled at 6 p.m. on Friday. By 9 a.m., I had 20 pilots in six cities spread out ready to move airplanes at 9 a.m. on a Saturday.”
The Denver Runway Incident: A Suicide, a Fire, and a Failed Evacuation
“The woman called Frontier and said, hi. I was on the plane that hit a person in Denver. Here's the situation. I still need to get home. What do we do about the lack of all these things? And the Frontier phone rep's response... was to scold her for not taking those things with her in the first place during evacuation.”
The Legal and Operational Maze of Aircraft Repossession
Steve Giordano details the challenges of gaining access to Spirit aircraft after the airline ceased operations. With no support from Spirit’s management or FAA, Nomadic had to secure Designated Airworthiness Representatives (DARs) on-site to issue Special Flight Permits. The process was complicated by regional disparities in airport cooperation, with smaller airports being easier to access than larger, more bureaucratic ones like Miami and Newark.
Lessons from Past Failures: The Kingfisher Disaster
Giordano draws a stark comparison to the 2012 collapse of India’s Kingfisher Airlines, where dozens of aircraft were left unsecured for years, leading to corrosion, engine seizure, and even people living inside planes. This serves as a cautionary tale about the consequences of delayed aircraft repossession, emphasizing why speed is critical in such operations.
The Human Side of Aviation Crises: Stories from Spirit’s Pilots and Crew
The episode shifts to a more personal tone as Giordano shares emotional stories from Spirit’s pilots and flight attendants, including a flight attendant hired in 1990 during the airline’s Convair era. He reveals that he’s producing a new podcast, Cockpit Casual, to capture these human stories, highlighting the personal toll of airline failures.
“The woman called Frontier and said, hi. I was on the plane that hit a person in Denver. Here's the situation. I still need to get home. What do we do about the lack of all these things? And the Frontier phone rep's response... was to scold her for not taking those things with her in the first place during evacuation.”
“The vast majority of the fleet, dozens if not 100 airplanes, many of which were brand new, rotted away to the point where they had to be parted out on site.”
“We had crews – this was a miracle, to be honest with you. Trigger was pulled at 6 p.m. on Friday. By 9 a.m., I had 20 pilots in six cities spread out ready to move airplanes at 9 a.m. on a Saturday.”
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Spirit Airlines
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Nomadic Aviation Group
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Denver International Airport
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Steve Giordano
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Frontier Airlines
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Federal Aviation Administration
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Lufthansa Group
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Air India
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Cockpit Casual
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FedEx
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