Special Drop: Clay's Utah Mountain Lion Hunt | 12 in '26

In this special episode of The 12 and 26 Podcast, Clay, joined by producer Josh Landbridge, dives deep into his recent mountain lion hunt in Utah, part of the Meat Eater 12 and 26 film series. The episode unfolds with a behind-the-scenes look at a five-day, mule-based lion hunt led by legendary dry ground hunters McClain and Hunter Mecham. Clay reflects on the physical and emotional intensity of riding over 80 miles on mules through treacherous terrain, the unmatched stamina and precision of the Mecham’s line dogs, and the rare privilege of observing mountain lions in the wild—especially in the context of dry ground hunting, which demands extraordinary skill and is considered one of the most challenging forms of hound hunting. The conversation shifts to the controversial conservation debate surrounding Utah’s year-round, unregulated mountain lion hunting season, where over 500 lions were harvested in a single year. Clay explores the complex ecological dynamics, emphasizing that while lions do prey on mule deer, they primarily target vulnerable males and fawns, and that human-induced threats like habitat loss, drought, and vehicle collisions are far greater drivers of deer population decline. He highlights the ethical stance of experienced hunters who pass on mature males to preserve genetic diversity and maintain healthy predator populations, underscoring the importance of responsible, science-based management. The episode closes with a powerful reflection on the role of hunting in American identity, stewardship, and the enduring value of wild places.