Ep 370. Dr George Sawa: How Centuries-Old Knowledge Can Still Guide Modern Dancers and Musicians
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Dr. George Sava, a 50-year veteran of Arabic musicology, dismantles the myth that modern belly dance and music are timeless traditions, revealing instead a rich, centuries-old body of knowledge that has been systematically overlooked. In a conversation that blends scholarly rigor with infectious passion, he shares translations of 11th-century Arabic and Andalusian treatises that describe everything from the precise aesthetics of dance—symmetry, hand and hip coordination—to the use of swords, wine flasks, and shadow puppetry in 13th-century performances. He exposes a startling historical truth: musicians have long played tricks on dancers, and the key to surviving such manipulation is deep musical knowledge. Sava argues that today’s over-reliance on orchestras and digital playback has killed the delicate, improvisational beauty of the takht ensemble, where one kanun and one violin each ornament uniquely. His work—spanning 10,000-page manuscripts, 200-beat rhythmic cycles, and treatises on vocal health and performance ethics—proves that the medieval Arab-Islamic world was not just a cultural powerhouse but a sophisticated fusion laboratory where theory and practice were inseparable. For modern dancers and musicians, the real takeaway isn’t nostalgia, but a radical re-education: choreograph only after analyzing the musical structure bar by bar, and never dance without understanding the maqam, rhythm, and historical context.
Dance aesthetics in 13th-century Andalusia included swords, wine flasks, and shadow puppetry—proving that 'Hollywood' props have deep historical roots.
Musicians have historically played tricks on dancers; knowing the music structure is the only defense against being 'burned' on stage.
The takht ensemble (one kanun, one violin) produces superior music because each performer can improvise—orchestras with 20 violins drown out the lead instrument.
Medieval Arabic treatises detail specific dietary rules for performers: avoid acidic foods and don’t dance on a full stomach.
Rhythmic cycles of 176 to 200 beats per bar were used in 13th–15th century Arabic and Persian music—requiring memorization, not sheet music.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
The Power of the Takht Ensemble
“When you put one kanun and 20 violins, you cannot hear the kanun. And all the violins do the same note. They are not free to improvise or ornament but if you have one kanun only, one violin each will ornament his own way and produce this beautiful takht music.”
11th-Century Dictionaries of Music and Dance
“Never ever hit a child, don't hit his hand. Never ever yell at the child because music is a beautiful art you don't want to make it scary treat the child with a lot of love compassion and respect.”
Shadow Dance and Historical Props
Sava describes the 13th-century Andalusian shadow dance (Ra'us al-Khael) and the use of swords, wine flasks, and acrobatics—challenging modern assumptions about authentic belly dance.
The Grand Book of Songs and Social Nuances
Sava discusses his 10-year translation of the 10,000-page Grand Book of Songs, which includes social rules like how a slave girl’s status changes upon having a child, affecting her performance rights.
The Crisis of Modern Orchestras
Sava criticizes the modern Egyptian orchestra model, arguing that 20 violins destroy musical nuance and prevent improvisation, unlike the small chamber ensembles of the past.
“When you put one kanun and 20 violins, you cannot hear the kanun. And all the violins do the same note. They are not free to improvise or ornament but if you have one kanun only, one violin each will ornament his own way and produce this beautiful takht music.”
“The longest was 200 to a bar. 200. It's basically the whole music concert can be just one bar. Exactly, only one bar.”
“The beauty and the precision of the language. When they talk about dance or music, or behavior, or music instrument, or performance practice, it is so precise and so beautiful.”
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