Are images of Jesus breaking the 2nd commandment? 10 Qs with Mike Winger (Ep 73)
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In this in-depth episode of BibleThinker, Mike Winger tackles the complex question of whether images of Jesus violate the Second Commandment. He argues that while such images are not inherently idolatrous, they are dangerously prone to becoming objects of worship, especially when they become central to spiritual practice. Drawing from Exodus 20:4–5 and Deuteronomy 4:15–24, he shows that the commandment's context—prohibiting idolatrous worship of created things—does not ban all images. He cites biblical examples like the tabernacle's cherubim, Solomon's temple, and the bronze serpent as evidence that God permitted representational art in worship contexts, provided it wasn't worshiped. Winger distinguishes between images as representations (like Sunday school felt boards), which can be helpful, and those that become conduits or objects of veneration, which are spiritually dangerous. He also addresses related questions: whether Nathan prophesied falsely, how to discern spiritual warfare, how to apply Matthew 18 in abusive family situations, whether children should avoid idolatrous school projects, the relevance of Old Testament feasts today, how to cultivate emotional engagement with Scripture, whether Matthias was replaced by Paul, how to interpret Song of Solomon, and whether Christians need church approval to start a YouTube ministry. Throughout, he emphasizes biblical discernment, personal conscience, and the need for accountability without legalism. Key takeaways include: 1) Images of Jesus are not inherently idolatrous but are dangerous if they become objects of worship; 2) The Second Commandment prohibits idolatry, not all images; 3) Scripture permits representational art when it serves teaching and remembrance, not worship; 4) Spiritual warfare is real but should not be used to excuse personal failure; 5) Church discipline (Matthew 18) must be applied with wisdom and safety in mind; 6) Conscience matters—don’t violate it even if others don’t; 7) The early church didn’t require Gentiles to keep Jewish feasts; 8) Emotional engagement with Scripture begins with intentional choices, not passive waiting; 9) Matthias was legitimately chosen and remains a valid apostle; 10) YouTube ministry is valid but should be accountable, not controlled, by the local church.
Images of Jesus are not inherently idolatrous but are dangerous when they become objects of worship or spiritual conduits.
The Second Commandment prohibits idolatry, not all images—context matters, and biblical examples like the tabernacle and bronze serpent show God permitted representational art.
Use of images in teaching (like felt boards) is permissible and helpful when they remain purely representational.
Spiritual warfare is real but should not be used to excuse personal responsibility or avoid accountability.
Matthew 18 applies with wisdom—never go alone to confront abuse or violence; prioritize safety and legal action when needed.
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The Core Question: Are Images of Jesus Idolatrous?
“You're not really looking at me, you understand? You're not in the room. You're looking at an image of me, a likeness of me that is just incredibly well made. And you're looking at that. So this would also be forbidden.”
Biblical Examples That Challenge the Ban on Images
“God instructed them to do this. Now when Solomon picks up and builds the actual temple, and he does this with God's permission and with God's approval in the text of scripture...”
The Danger of Idolatry: When Images Become Objects of Worship
“They begin worshiping the thing. You see, there's obviously a line somewhere. And that line is, I think in the commandment where he goes, don't make these things. And it says, don't bow down and worship them.”
Images of Jesus: From Felt Boards to Paintings
“I wouldn't want to be that actor. I wouldn't want to be experiencing that strangeness. And there's no upside to that. There's no positive to that experience.”
The Theological Challenge: Can You Image God in Christ?
Winger explores the tension between not making images of God and the fact that Jesus is God incarnate. He argues that while we cannot represent God’s essence, we can represent Jesus’ physical form. He concludes that a felt board showing Jesus’ body is not inherently wrong, though it depends on conscience.
“How is it that Paula White has not been called out and exposed? Like, do I have to do a video about her? Really? Does anybody even have to do a video?”
“The amount of corruption, fraud, spiritual fraud, abuse. It's amazing that people like Sean Foyt can even still be operating at high levels.”
“God instructed them to do this. Now when Solomon picks up and builds the actual temple, and he does this with God's permission and with God's approval in the text of scripture...”
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