Athlete / Activist Caroline Gleich on Data Centers, the Situation in Utah, & Why It Matters to All of Us
A wave of unchecked data center development is reshaping the American landscape, driven by a handful of tech billionaires and fast-tracked through shadowy government agencies like Utah's MITA. Caroline Gleich, an athlete and activist, reveals how a proposed 20,000-acre data center in Box Elder County—backed by Kevin O'Leary and sold as a national security imperative—was approved without public vote, environmental review, or even a hydrological study. The project would consume 4 billion gallons of water annually and double Utah’s entire energy usage, all while transferring agricultural water rights to a foreign-owned entity. Gleich exposes the dangerous narrative that 'if we don’t build these, China will win,' calling it a manufactured crisis to bypass democracy. She describes how the project’s defenders, including the governor and O'Leary, used disinformation, personal attacks, and the DARVO tactic (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender) to silence opposition—especially when she, a grassroots advocate, was falsely accused of being funded by the Chinese Communist Party. Yet, she argues, this backlash has unified Utahns across the political spectrum into a powerful grassroots movement. Her own Senate campaign, which she lost after raising only $1.3 million against a $16 million opponent, exposed the broken system where wealth—not merit or public will—determines who gets elected. Still, she urges listeners: don’t despair.
Data centers like Utah's Stratos project are being fast-tracked through backdoor agencies like MITA, bypassing public votes, environmental studies, and local zoning laws.
The proposed Box Elder County data center would use 4 billion gallons of water annually—equivalent to 25,000 Olympic pools—and double Utah’s entire energy usage.
Kevin O'Leary, a non-U.S. citizen, is the public face of a project sold as national security, while falsely accusing opponents of being foreign agents—using a disinformation tactic known as DARVO.
The average cost of a winning U.S. Senate race is over $10 million, making federal office inaccessible to most people and entrenching wealth and power in politics.
Grassroots movements in Utah have united across party lines, proving that public pressure can halt or reshape massive projects—even when backed by billionaires.
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Welcome & Introduction
Jonathan Ellsworth introduces the episode, welcoming listeners to the Blister Podcast and setting the stage for a conversation with Caroline Gleich about the explosive growth of data centers, political backlash, and the importance of civic engagement.
Caroline Gleich’s Background: Athlete, Advocate, and Senate Candidate
“I was really scared of the mountains. Actually they are, they can be really scary. I have like a humility and healthy fear, but also I was going to college during that time and building my career as a professional skier.”
The Rise of Data Centers & the Oligarchy Behind Them
“We're entering this sort of uncharted territory in human development, and there's really no protections for the average American.”
The Utah Data Center Crisis: A Case Study in Democratic Erosion
“Not one opportunity for a public vote on this. Not one opportunity for a public vote, and also there hasn't been a single environmental study.”
Kevin O'Leary’s Disinformation Campaign & the DARVO Tactic
“He goes on TV and he attacks us because what we really need to be asking is where's his money coming from? And why is he the face of this?”
“Not one opportunity for a public vote on this. Not one opportunity for a public vote, and also there hasn't been a single environmental study.”
“And we're entering this sort of uncharted... territory in human development, and there's really no protections for the average American.”
“And so he goes on TV and he attacks us because what we really need to be asking is where's his money coming from? And why is he the face of this?”
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Guest
Utah
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Caroline Gleich
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Kevin O'Leary
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MITA
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Stratos Data Center
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Great Salt Lake
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Salt Lake Tribune
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Citizens United
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DARVO
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Outdoor Alliance
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