How Soccer Explains the World: Franklin Foer Previews the 2026 World Cup
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In this episode of the Brian Kilmeade Show, host Brian Kilmeade welcomes author Franklin Foer to discuss the upcoming 2026 FIFA World Cup, which will be hosted across the United States, Canada, and Mexico—the first time the tournament spans three nations. Foer, author of *How Soccer Explains the World: An Unlikely Theory of Globalization*, reflects on the cultural, political, and national identity dimensions of soccer, using examples like Iran’s potential absence and the symbolic role of the national team as a secular expression of nationalism. The conversation turns to the U.S. men’s national team, with concerns about their readiness despite having elite players like Christian Pulisic and a top-tier coach, Mauricio Pochettino. Foer and Kilmeade debate structural issues in American soccer development, including the lack of deep domestic roots among players who are raised abroad and the lingering European snobbery toward American soccer. They also discuss the significance of the World Cup as a global spectacle, the importance of fan access and fair ticket pricing, and the role of the U.S. president and his family in elevating the sport’s profile. The episode closes with reflections on the legacy of icons like Pelé and the evolving identity of American soccer, emphasizing the need for a distinct national character on the pitch.
The 2026 World Cup will be the first to span three countries: the U.S., Canada, and Mexico, marking a historic expansion.
Soccer is more than sport—it reflects national identity, politics, and cultural values, as seen in the contrast between England’s 'stiff upper lip' style and Brazil’s Samba-inspired flair.
The U.S. men’s team faces structural challenges despite having elite players; success may depend on fostering deeper national connection and homegrown development.
European clubs and investors have transformed the economics of soccer, yet local and patriotic loyalty to teams and nations remains strong.
The U.S. president and his family are genuine soccer fans, which could help grow the sport’s popularity and legitimacy in America.
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Introducing the 2026 World Cup and Franklin Foer
Brian Kilmeade introduces the upcoming 2026 World Cup and welcomes Franklin Foer, author of *How Soccer Explains the World*, to discuss the cultural and geopolitical significance of the tournament.
Iran’s Potential Absence and Soccer as National Identity
“The Iranian soccer team represents something other than the Islamic Republic. It represents a tradition of nationalism that goes back, that's much more secular.”
The U.S. Men’s Team: Talent vs. National Identity
“I think that these guys have been part of the structure so long. It's acculturated. The prestige associated with being part of a national team is so immense. I can't believe that they're not fighting and trying their hardest for this country.”
Soccer as a Mirror of National Character
“The way they approach it is the character of their country. That's what I think gets people so enmeshed in the World Cup.”
Legacy, Access, and the Future of American Soccer
The hosts reflect on the legacy of Pelé, the importance of fan access and fair ticket pricing, and the growing influence of the U.S. president and his family in promoting soccer as a national sport.
“The Iranian soccer team represents something other than the Islamic Republic. It represents a tradition of nationalism that goes back, that's much more secular.”
“I think that these guys have been part of the structure so long. It's acculturated. The prestige associated with being part of a national team is so immense. I can't believe that they're not fighting and trying their hardest for this country.”
“Pele is the greatest of all time. I don't think that there's been a player who's matched his creativity, his trickery, his overall genius.”
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