Courage as a Pre-Requisite: Empowerment & Collaboration in Middle Schools with Katie Powell - Ep 78
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In this episode of Building a Culture of Collaboration, host Curtis Hewson welcomes Katie Powell, Director of Middle Level Programs for the Association of Middle Level Education (AMLE), to explore the critical link between courage and collaboration in middle schools. Powell argues that true collaboration requires vulnerability, trust, and the courage to relinquish control—qualities essential for empowering both staff and students. Drawing on her extensive work with schools through AMLE’s Schools of Distinction program, she emphasizes that successful middle schools are defined not by grade configuration but by a developmental mindset rooted in early adolescent needs. She shares how high-performing schools foster empowerment through low standard deviations in staff perceptions, co-created team norms, and intentional leadership that models trust and psychological safety. The conversation highlights how adult behaviors—such as arriving on time, showing up with purpose, and co-creating classroom norms—directly shape student agency and well-being. Powell also addresses how burnout is exacerbated by isolation and lack of collaboration, advocating for structures that build belonging, consistency, and shared ownership of goals. Key takeaways include the importance of assuming good intent, co-creating team norms, and narrowing focus to one or two high-leverage priorities. The episode underscores that language matters—using 'our' instead of 'my' fosters collective identity—and that leadership must balance clear direction with autonomy. Real-world examples, such as a team’s compassionate response to tardiness and a teacher’s self-reflection on classroom values, illustrate how small, courageous acts can transform culture. Ultimately, the episode positions collaboration not as a soft skill but as a courageous, systemic practice that begins with trust at the top and ripples through every level of the school community.
Courage is a prerequisite for collaboration—true collaboration requires vulnerability, trust, and the willingness to relinquish control.
Empowered staff lead to empowered students; low standard deviations in staff survey data indicate strong alignment and trust.
Co-create team norms and expectations with your team to build ownership, belonging, and psychological safety.
Use 'our' language instead of 'my' to foster collective identity and shared responsibility.
Focus on one or two high-leverage priorities to avoid burnout and drive meaningful change.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
Courage as the Foundation of Collaboration
“Collaboration requires letting go of some control, making space for other people to have some control and have some influence. And that's a vulnerable space to be in.”
Defining Middle School: A Developmental Mindset
Katie Powell explains that middle schools aren't defined by grade levels but by a commitment to early adolescent development, including advisory systems, interdisciplinary teams, and SEL integration.
Empowerment: The Ripple Effect from Leadership to Students
“If we aren't trusting the people at the top to do their job well, then how can they trust their staff to do their job well?”
Fixing 'Bad Collaboration': From Compliance to Meaningful Engagement
“We know without banks, the work sprawls every which direction, which is not valuable for anyone. But once you have those banks in place, don't try and micromanage the flow of the water.”
Collaboration as a Cure for Burnout and Isolation
“We know feeling like you belong with your colleagues matters and, you know, having these smaller learning communities within our school day... those opportunities to meet together with colleagues isn't just about completing paperwork, but it's a really critical space for us to foster that kind of belonging.”
“We know without banks, the work sprawls every which direction, which is not valuable for anyone. But once you have those banks in place, don't try and micromanage the flow of the water.”
“Get clarity of focus. Stop doing everything and focus in on the one or two priorities that we are really going to try and move the needle on.”
“We agreed that if that's ever violated, we will always stop and make sure the person arriving is okay. Are you doing okay?”
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Katie Powell
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Curtis Hewson
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Association of Middle Level Education
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Schools of Distinction
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Frustration Busters
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Jigsaw Learning
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Boredom Busters
book
Lorna Hewson
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Jay McTie
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Teach Better Podcast Network
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