The tech boss who 'x-rays' businesses
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Alexander Rinker, co-founder and co-CEO of Salonis, reveals how a university lecture on process mining sparked a revolutionary idea: using digital footprints to create an 'x-ray' of business operations. What began as a side project for a local Munich radio station evolved into a $13 billion company that helps organizations visualize, diagnose, and automate inefficient workflows. Rinker describes the early days as a scrappy bootstrapped venture—funded by $5,000 each from three friends, with no external investors—highlighting the emotional and financial toll of building a B2B software startup without venture capital. Despite initial skepticism in Germany, the team pivoted to the US market, where they found traction with large enterprises. Now, Salonis is at the heart of the AI revolution, providing the business context that large language models lack. The company’s mission isn’t just efficiency—it’s human-centered transformation, enabling teams to redeploy from repetitive tasks to uniquely human work. Rinker argues that automation isn’t about cutting jobs, but about unlocking growth and innovation by removing friction from processes. The episode exposes a critical gap in Europe’s startup ecosystem: while talent and innovation abound, the venture capital infrastructure lags behind the US, where pension funds and deep-pocketed investors fuel early-stage growth. Rinker calls for Europe to unlock its vast capital reserves to support next-generation tech.
Use process mining to create a real-time 'x-ray' of business operations by analyzing digital footprints across systems, revealing inefficiencies invisible to human intuition.
Bootstrapping a B2B software startup in Germany required each co-founder to invest $5,000—Rinker borrowed his share, proving that scrappy execution can outlast lack of venture capital.
Europe’s startup ecosystem is held back by underdeveloped venture capital infrastructure, especially the exclusion of pension funds from early-stage investments.
AI’s biggest limitation isn’t intelligence—it’s context; Salonis provides the business-specific process data that LLMs lack, making AI adoption viable and safe.
Automation should not be about headcount reduction but about redeploying people to higher-value, uniquely human work—enabling companies to play offense, not just survive.
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The Birth of a Vision
“It was like an aha moment for them. They were like, wow, we've never seen or looked at our business like this.”
From Academic Concept to Real-World Tool
“I like to call it an x-ray for businesses, right? When your doctor goes in and asks a patient what hurts with their knee. They don't just rely on what the patient tells them, they also have an x-ray to get some data on what's actually broken.”
The Bootstrapped Start
“Every day we were updating all the cash that's coming in, all the cash that's going out to pay people and offices and everything. And, you know, we always need to make sure that we have more cash coming in and going out.”
Scaling Beyond Borders
Facing limited VC access in Germany, the team pivoted to the US market—home to large enterprises and deeper capital pools. Rinker reflects on Europe’s lagging venture ecosystem and calls for unlocking pension funds to support innovation.
AI’s Missing Piece: Business Context
Rinker explains that AI models lack context about individual companies. Salonis fills this gap by providing real-time process intelligence, enabling AI to act within the actual flow of business operations.
“The problem with AI is that AI doesn't know the context of each individual business. It's trained on a lot of public data. They're very smart. But as companies try to adopt them, these LLMs lack the business context about what's going on within the company.”
“It was like an aha moment for them. They were like, wow, we've never seen or looked at our business like this.”
“I don't believe that AI replaces what's uniquely human. It can do things that we do today, but that actually gives an opportunity for companies to drive growth and play offense.”
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