How an antisemitic conspiracy theory made its way to a state capitol
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This episode of Consider This from NPR investigates how a far-right conspiracy theory—Holocaust denial—gained unexpected traction in a state legislative hearing in New Hampshire. The story centers on Representative Matt Sabourin de Chouanier, a young Republican, who introduced an amendment to appoint Germar Rudolf, a German-born Holocaust denier with a criminal record, to a state commission responsible for genocide and Holocaust education. Despite Rudolf’s history of denying the Holocaust, promoting anti-Semitic rhetoric, and being convicted of indecent exposure and trespassing, the amendment was presented as a bid for 'balanced' historical education. The hearing, which lasted less than 20 minutes, shocked Jewish lawmakers and historians, including Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt, who noted the resurgence of ideas once considered fringe. The episode explores how extremist narratives are being normalized through connections with mainstream conservative figures, online platforms, and even Trump-era officials. It also examines the broader trend of rising anti-Semitism on both the left and right, particularly among young conservatives, and raises urgent questions about accountability, media responsibility, and the vulnerability of democratic institutions to extremist infiltration. The episode concludes with a sobering reflection on the cyclical nature of hate and the necessity of persistent vigilance. While some state leaders condemned the incident, no formal consequences followed. Democratic Representative Anita Burroughs, whose family perished in the Holocaust, was met with silence when confronting Sabourin de Chouanier directly—symbolizing the chilling normalization of bigotry. The reporting underscores that the real danger isn't just the presence of extremists in government, but the lack of meaningful response when they are. As historian Lipstadt puts it, the fight against hate is never over—only ongoing.
Holocaust denial, once a fringe belief, is now gaining legitimacy in mainstream political spaces through strategic alliances with conservative figures and media.
A state lawmaker in New Hampshire attempted to appoint a convicted Holocaust denier to a public education commission, highlighting systemic vulnerabilities in legislative vetting.
Extremist ideas are being amplified through platforms like Stu Peters’ show, which has hosted top Trump administration figures, blurring the line between fringe and mainstream discourse.
The lack of consequences for extremist behavior—despite criminal records and anti-Semitic rhetoric—signals a dangerous normalization of hate in political institutions.
Media coverage of such events must balance the need to expose extremism with the risk of giving extremists the attention they seek.
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The Rise of Anti-Semitic Conspiracy Theories in State Politics
“Anti-Semitic bigotry has no place in a civilized society. It has no place in our universities. And it has no place in the United States of America.”
The Hearing That Hijacked a Non-Controversial Bill
Representative Lauren Selig introduces a routine bill to extend a Holocaust education commission. The hearing is quickly derailed when Republican Matt Sabourin de Chouanier introduces an amendment to appoint Germar Rudolf, a known Holocaust denier, to the commission.
The Man Behind the Denial: Germar Rudolf’s History and Crimes
“I use baby oil as my lotion to this day. You know, people have perverted fantasies because of whatever they watch online and then they project their fantasies and what they are watching on me.”
The Mainstreaming of Extremism: From Fringe to Fox News
“Germar Rudolf is one of the founding fathers... He played an outsized role in the 90s in perpetuating all sorts of lies about the Holocaust.”
The Human Cost: Survivors and Their Families Speak Out
“I wish I had had this picture of my grandma and grandpa.”
“I use baby oil as my lotion to this day. You know, people have perverted fantasies because of whatever they watch online and then they project their fantasies and what they are watching on me.”
“Germar Rudolf is one of the founding fathers... He played an outsized role in the 90s in perpetuating all sorts of lies about the Holocaust.”
“There's no end to this. There may be no end, but there are different phases.”
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Matt Sabourin de Chouanier
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Deborah Lipstadt
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NPR
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Lauren Selig
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New Hampshire State Legislature
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Anita Burroughs
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Stu Peters
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President Trump
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Kash Patel
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