Shekalim 20a Basar Shenisalem Min Haayin (Dirshu Amud Yomi #277)
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The episode explores the complex halachic principles surrounding lost items, particularly meat and wine found in natural settings like rivers and marketplaces, and the concept of 'basar shenisalem min haayin'—meat that has been left unwatched and may have been displaced. Rabbi Eli Markowitz examines a series of Talmudic stories where Rav imposed strict gezeirot (rabbinic decrees) due to laxity in observing the laws of watchfulness. These include cases of meat washed ashore by rivers, wine barrels swept downstream, and even a roasted goat found in a marketplace—each raising questions about ownership, kashrut, and whether the original owner has given up hope (yeish). The discussion reveals that when an item is in a place where recovery is practically impossible, the finder may keep it, especially if the item is kosher by assumption. The episode then shifts to the laws of returning lost animals near Jerusalem, where the finder must bring the animal to the Temple as a korban, but is not required to pay for the accompanying wine offering—this cost is borne by the community. The Talmud debates whether the family, the community, or the original owner pays for such offerings if the animal is lost or dies, highlighting the intricate system of communal responsibility in Temple service. The episode underscores a central theme: rabbinic law often extends beyond strict logic to prevent spiritual and communal decline.
When an item is lost in a place where recovery is practically impossible, the finder may keep it even without a clear siman, due to the owner's yeish (giving up hope).
Rav imposed strict gezeirot on basar shenisalem min haayin to prevent laxity in observing watchfulness, even for seemingly far-fetched scenarios like river-displaced meat.
If a lost animal is found near Jerusalem, the finder must bring it as a korban, but the cost of the wine offering is paid by the community, not the finder.
The community (tzibar) is responsible for ensuring korbanot are brought, including replacing lost or damaged animals, through a system of insurance-like contracts.
Even if an item has a siman, if it's in a high-traffic area where it's likely to be trampled, the finder may keep it due to the lack of reasonable hope of return.
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Introduction to Basar Shenisalem Min Haayin
Rabbi Markowitz introduces the topic of 'basar shenisalem min haayin'—meat left unwatched and potentially displaced by natural forces. He notes the presence of this discussion in both Shas and Shulchan Aruch, with differences in halachic application between Ashkenazim and Sefardim.
Rav's Gezeira on Unwatched Meat
“The meat that you see now, it washed up a different piece of meat and that means the velo.”
Cases of Lost Wine and Other Items
“The owners give up hope. They do yesh. And therefore... the Chum said you could keep it.”
Returning Lost Animals to Jerusalem
“We're not going to give you this fee. Bezdin, the shul will pay for it.”
Responsibility for Lost Korbanot
The final segment discusses who pays for korbanot if an animal is lost or dies. The Talmud debates whether the family, the community (tzibar), or the original owner bears the cost, with the community ultimately responsible through a system of insurance-like contracts.
“The owners give up hope. They do yesh. And therefore... the Chum said you could keep it.”
“We're not going to give you this fee. Bezdin, the shul will pay for it.”
“The meat that you see now, it washed up a different piece of meat and that means the velo.”
Host
Rav
person
Bezdin
organization
Tzibar
organization
Rabbi Yonah Avuch Lamerkei
person
Shehu Bois Mishal Tzibor
other
Rebbe Eloz
person
Rebbe Yosey
person
Parah Duma
other
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