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In this deeply reflective episode of Design Matters, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Jodi Kantor shares the evolution of her career, from her early days as a disenchanted Columbia student to her groundbreaking investigative work at The New York Times. She recounts her pivotal decision to leave Harvard Law School despite familial skepticism, her formative years at Slate Magazine, and her transformative role in exposing Harvey Weinstein and igniting the Me Too movement through the book She Said. Kantor then discusses her current focus on the Supreme Court, particularly its secretive 'shadow docket' practices, and how she and her team are using rigorous journalism to hold the highest court accountable. The conversation culminates in her new book, How to Start: Discovering Your Life's Work, which offers a hopeful, practical framework for young people navigating an uncertain job market. Drawing from her own journey—from being kicked off a campus newspaper to becoming a leading investigative journalist—Kantor emphasizes that meaningful careers are built at the intersection of craft and need, and that entry-level work, though often dismissed, is where true skill and resilience are forged. Her message is one of courage: listen to your positive emotions, take risks, and trust that even in chaotic times, a fulfilling life’s work is possible.
Meaningful careers are built at the intersection of a personal craft and a societal need, not by chasing trends or chasing money.
Entry-level work, though often called 'shitwork,' is where craft is truly formed through repetition, resilience, and real-world learning.
Courage comes before confidence—listen to the positive pull you feel toward certain tasks, people, or ideas, and act on it.
The Supreme Court’s shadow docket operates with minimal transparency, issuing cryptic one-paragraph rulings that lack reasoning, undermining public trust in the rule of law.
Investigative journalism still works when it’s grounded in overwhelming evidence, not sensationalism, and when it inspires public action.
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From Staten Island to the New York Times: The Early Years
Jodi Kantor reflects on growing up in Staten Island, her early fascination with journalism, and the profound disconnect she felt between being a reader and imagining herself as a writer. She recounts her near-fatal experience being kicked off Columbia’s student newspaper and the emotional toll it took, which nearly deterred her from journalism altogether.
The Late-Night Reckoning: Leaving Law for Journalism
“I remember when I made the decision, I had like a day where I couldn't stop crying... but there was also something really delicious about it, I think there was a twinge of, I might get to actually do all day what I really want to do and I'm going to try.”
Slate and the Birth of a Journalist
Kantor recounts her early days at Slate Magazine, a pioneering digital publication. She describes the vibrant, inclusive culture of the newsroom and how witnessing senior journalists debate in email threads taught her that journalism should be enthralling, not boring.
From Arts Editor to Investigative Reporter: The Craving for Impact
Kantor discusses her time at The New York Times’ Arts and Leisure section, where she began to feel unsatisfied with cultural reporting. She reveals her growing envy of reporters and her desire to do work that could change outcomes—setting the stage for her future investigations.
The Weinstein Investigation: Courage in the Face of Black Ops
“The women were more powerful than all of that. The truth is more powerful.”
“The women were more powerful than all of that. The truth is more powerful.”
“I want you to listen to your positive emotions... Write it down in a notebook, even if you don't get hired at that specific place. Write down what it means because that is really valuable data.”
“I can't change what happened to you in the past. But together we may be able to use your experience to help protect other people.”
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Jodi Kantor
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Debbie Millman
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The New York Times
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Harvey Weinstein
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Supreme Court
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Megan Toohey
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How to Start
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She Said
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Columbia University
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Slate Magazine
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