Jodi Kantor

Design Matters with Debbie Millman1h 18mApril 24, 2026

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In this deeply reflective episode of Design Matters, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Jodi Kantor shares the evolution of her career, from her early days as a disenchanted Columbia student to her groundbreaking investigative work at The New York Times. She recounts her pivotal decision to leave Harvard Law School despite familial skepticism, her formative years at Slate Magazine, and her transformative role in exposing Harvey Weinstein and igniting the Me Too movement through the book She Said. Kantor then discusses her current focus on the Supreme Court, particularly its secretive 'shadow docket' practices, and how she and her team are using rigorous journalism to hold the highest court accountable. The conversation culminates in her new book, How to Start: Discovering Your Life's Work, which offers a hopeful, practical framework for young people navigating an uncertain job market. Drawing from her own journey—from being kicked off a campus newspaper to becoming a leading investigative journalist—Kantor emphasizes that meaningful careers are built at the intersection of craft and need, and that entry-level work, though often dismissed, is where true skill and resilience are forged. Her message is one of courage: listen to your positive emotions, take risks, and trust that even in chaotic times, a fulfilling life’s work is possible.

Key Takeaways
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Meaningful careers are built at the intersection of a personal craft and a societal need, not by chasing trends or chasing money.

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Entry-level work, though often called 'shitwork,' is where craft is truly formed through repetition, resilience, and real-world learning.

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Courage comes before confidence—listen to the positive pull you feel toward certain tasks, people, or ideas, and act on it.

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The Supreme Court’s shadow docket operates with minimal transparency, issuing cryptic one-paragraph rulings that lack reasoning, undermining public trust in the rule of law.

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Investigative journalism still works when it’s grounded in overwhelming evidence, not sensationalism, and when it inspires public action.

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Chapters
0:00
5 min

From Staten Island to the New York Times: The Early Years

Jodi Kantor reflects on growing up in Staten Island, her early fascination with journalism, and the profound disconnect she felt between being a reader and imagining herself as a writer. She recounts her near-fatal experience being kicked off Columbia’s student newspaper and the emotional toll it took, which nearly deterred her from journalism altogether.

5:00
5 min

The Late-Night Reckoning: Leaving Law for Journalism

I remember when I made the decision, I had like a day where I couldn't stop crying... but there was also something really delicious about it, I think there was a twinge of, I might get to actually do all day what I really want to do and I'm going to try.

Highlight
10:00
5 min

Slate and the Birth of a Journalist

Kantor recounts her early days at Slate Magazine, a pioneering digital publication. She describes the vibrant, inclusive culture of the newsroom and how witnessing senior journalists debate in email threads taught her that journalism should be enthralling, not boring.

15:00
10 min

From Arts Editor to Investigative Reporter: The Craving for Impact

Kantor discusses her time at The New York Times’ Arts and Leisure section, where she began to feel unsatisfied with cultural reporting. She reveals her growing envy of reporters and her desire to do work that could change outcomes—setting the stage for her future investigations.

25:00
20 min

The Weinstein Investigation: Courage in the Face of Black Ops

The women were more powerful than all of that. The truth is more powerful.

Highlight
High-Impact Quotes
The women were more powerful than all of that. The truth is more powerful.
Jodi Kantor35:34
Viral: 90.0
I want you to listen to your positive emotions... Write it down in a notebook, even if you don't get hired at that specific place. Write down what it means because that is really valuable data.
Jodi Kantor77:47
Viral: 88.0
I can't change what happened to you in the past. But together we may be able to use your experience to help protect other people.
Megan Toohey31:58
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Debbie Millman

Guest

Jodi Kantor
Topics Discussed
Craft and Need in Work96%Investigative Journalism95%Career Development for Young People94%Supreme Court and Shadow Docket92%Me Too Movement90%Entry-Level Work and Skill Building88%Moral Courage in Journalism87%AI and the Future of Work85%
People & Brands

Jodi Kantor

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120xPositive

Debbie Millman

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88xPositive

The New York Times

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60xPositive

Harvey Weinstein

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45xNegative

Supreme Court

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40xMixed

Megan Toohey

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38xPositive

How to Start

book

35xPositive

She Said

book

28xPositive

Columbia University

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22xNeutral

Slate Magazine

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18xPositive

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