Your Kids Know More About AI Than You Do

EdSurge Podcast23mJune 17, 2026
AI-Generated Summary

The EdSurge Podcast episode 'Your Kids Know More About AI Than You Do' exposes a growing crisis in education: schools are rushing to implement AI policies without first having the foundational conversations about purpose, values, and learning. Aleta Margolis, founder of the Center for Inspired Teaching, argues that before writing rules, educators must ask, 'What is the purpose of school?'—a question that reveals whether AI is being used to deepen learning or simply replace human effort. She warns that top-down policies without dialogue turn teachers and students into adversaries, while co-creating guidelines with students—many of whom are already more adept with AI—fosters trust and shared ownership. Sarah McKibben, a parent and editor, brings the home front into focus, revealing how her middle schoolers use AI for everything from flashcards to bypassing essay writing with AI-humanizer apps. The disconnect is stark: while 80% of teachers want to teach responsible AI use, only a third of schools have clear guidelines. The episode concludes with a powerful call to shift from fear-based policing to teaching students how to think with AI—because the real struggle isn’t against AI, but in teaching kids how to use it wisely. The core insight? Schools aren’t failing because they’re slow to adopt AI—they’re failing because they’re skipping the most important step: talking about what they value.

Key Takeaways
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Before writing AI policies, schools must co-create them with students through honest conversations about the purpose of school.

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AI is already being used by students to bypass critical thinking, especially in essay writing, often with tools designed to evade detection.

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Teachers and students want the same thing: authentic learning experiences, not just faster completion of assignments.

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Productive struggle—the mental effort that leads to real learning—must be preserved, even as AI handles routine tasks.

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Students need explicit instruction on how to use AI responsibly, including crafting smart prompts and cross-examining AI responses.

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Chapters
0:03
2 min

The AI Policy Gap in Schools

The episode opens with a stark reality: only about a third of students report having a clear AI policy at school, and practices vary wildly by teacher. Ira Apfel introduces the central question: how do we actually talk about AI in schools, beyond policy memos?

1:50
2 min

The 'What Are We Here For?' Question

What are we here to do? If AI is more efficient and effective than I am at writing, at summarizing, at analyzing, at sorting through material than what are we here to do.

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3:29
2 min

Why Co-Creating AI Guidelines Matters

If we co-create the rules, then we're on the same team. It's the same thing with the rules, if you will, or the guidelines around AI. It's not me trying to stop you from using AI and you trying to get around my assignment. We're on the same team here.

Highlight
5:05
2 min

The Power of Student Voice in AI Conversations

If a teacher says something's not going to be graded, everyone just goes on Instagram.

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7:00
2 min

The Real Motivation Behind AI Use

Students aren’t just using AI to cheat—they’re using it to survive. When faced with 300 math problems, they naturally turn to AI. The real issue isn’t laziness—it’s a mismatch between workload and human capacity.

High-Impact Quotes
But you know, for essay writing, he's not just using AI to brainstorm topics or transitions. He's... having it create the text, and then he's running the text through an app that he downloaded on his phone, an AI humanizer app, so that it intentionally inserts typos, awkward sentences, so the AI detectors don't flag it.
Sarah McKibben16:38
Middle school students and high school students are just seeing the generate button. Maybe those finer skills will come in high school, but at the moment, it's almost like we're handing them motorcycle and assuming they know how to drive it safely. If
Sarah McKibben20:38
He said instead of just telling students not to use it, teachers should, quote, teach us the right ways to use it.
Sarah McKibben21:30
Speakers

Host

Ira Apfel

Guests

Aleta MargolisSarah McKibben
Topics Discussed
ai in education95%co-creating ai guidelines92%student voice in ai policy90%ai literacy for students88%ai and critical thinking87%productive struggle in learning85%teacher-parent collaboration80%ai ethics in schools75%
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