Stop Guessing Your Numbers: Direct vs. Indirect Costs Explained

Green Industry Podcast43mApril 6, 2026

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In this episode of the Green Industry Podcast, host Paul Jameson delivers a hard-hitting, numbers-driven breakdown of the true costs behind running a profitable lawn care business. Using a real-world example of a two-man crew, he meticulously separates direct costs (labor, fuel, materials) from indirect costs (overhead like insurance, software subscriptions, storage, and bookkeeping) to calculate a conservative break-even point of $14,100 per month. This translates to a break-even rate of $58.75 per man hour—far higher than many new business owners realize. Jameson emphasizes that charging only $50–$100 per job, especially for a one-hour job with two workers, results in losses because the business isn't recouping all its expenses. He stresses the importance of accurate bookkeeping, separating personal and business finances, and using tools like Jobber, QuickBooks, CallRail, and The Landscaping Bookkeeper to maintain financial clarity. The episode serves as a wake-up call: profitability requires charging at least $75–$85 per man hour, based on real costs, not guesswork. Jameson encourages entrepreneurs to audit their own expenses, understand their true break-even, and price with confidence to build a sustainable, scalable business. Key takeaways include: 1) Direct costs are expenses tied directly to serving a customer (labor, fuel, materials); 2) Indirect (overhead) costs must be paid regardless of work performed (insurance, software, storage); 3) Billable hours are typically only 30 per week—non-billable time (driving, admin) must be factored in; 4) Charging less than $75 per man hour makes it nearly impossible to profit; 5) Use trusted tools and professionals to keep books clean and accurate; 6) Your market determines pricing, but your numbers determine your survival; 7) Always include your own fair market wage in your cost calculations; 8) A simple yellow pad and honest math can reveal your business’s true financial health.

Key Takeaways
1

Your true break-even rate is $58.75 per man hour—most businesses are undercharging.

2

Direct costs include labor, fuel, materials, and equipment wear; indirect costs include insurance, software, storage, and bookkeeping.

3

Billable hours are typically only 30 per week—non-billable time (driving, admin) must be accounted for.

4

Never exclude your own fair market wage when calculating costs—charge yourself $30/hour if you're the crew leader.

5

Use tools like Jobber, QuickBooks, CallRail, and a bookkeeper to maintain clean, accurate financial records.

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Chapters
0:00
10 min

The Wake-Up Call: Why You're Losing Money on Every Job

If you're charging your customer $100 and it takes you one hour for two guys, that's two man hours. You're losing money. Basically paying the client to cut their grass.

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10:00
13 min

Direct Costs: The Real Price of Doing Work

Jameson defines direct costs as expenses tied directly to serving a customer—labor, fuel, materials, equipment wear, and payroll taxes. He uses a two-man crew example, assigning $20/hour to the employee and $30/hour to the owner, totaling $9,840/month in wages alone. He emphasizes that these costs are non-negotiable and must be included in every quote.

22:30
18 min

Indirect Costs (Overhead): The Hidden Monthly Burden

The episode shifts to indirect costs—overhead that must be paid regardless of work performed. Jameson lists truck payments, insurance, software (Jobber, QuickBooks, Canva), marketing (CallRail, Footbridge Media), bookkeeping, and storage units. He calculates a conservative $3,100/month in overhead, showing how these invisible costs add up fast.

40:00
18 min

The Break-Even Math: $14,100 to Run One Crew

If you're only charging $100 for a one-hour job with two workers, you're losing money. You're paying the client to cut their grass.

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58:20
13 min

Pricing for Profit: The $75–$85 Man Hour Rule

We ain't in the business of breaking even. We're in the business of making profit, running a profitable business, a successful business.

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High-Impact Quotes
If you're charging your customer $100 and it takes you one hour for two guys, that's two man hours. You're losing money. Basically paying the client to cut their grass.
Paul Jameson28:18
Viral: 90.0
We ain't in the business of breaking even. We're in the business of making profit, running a profitable business, a successful business.
Paul Jameson38:43
Viral: 85.0
It costs a lot more to run a business than we realize. And when we're out there quoting work, we need to make sure we understand this math.
Paul Jameson41:01
Viral: 75.0
Speakers

Host

Paul Jameson
Topics Discussed
break-even analysis95%direct costs90%indirect costs90%man hour rate85%lawn care business pricing85%overhead expenses80%bookkeeping and accounting75%business financial health70%
People & Brands

Paul Jameson

person

15xPositive

Jobber

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6xPositive

QuickBooks

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5xPositive

CallRail

product

5xPositive

Footbridge Media

organization

4xPositive

The Landscaping Bookkeeper

organization

4xPositive

Megan Coberly

person

3xPositive

Joey Coberly

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3xPositive

John Pajak

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2xPositive

Kevin Salters

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2xPositive

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