Brad Meltzer on The Viper, Witness Protection, and Starting Over
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Brad Meltzer, New York Times bestselling author and creator of the 'Ordinary People Change the World' nonprofit, joins Guy Kawasaki on the Remarkable People podcast to discuss his latest thriller, The Viper, which centers on a mortician at Dover Air Force Base—the nation's most secretive funeral home. Meltzer reveals how real-life research into Dover, including interviews with morticians and access to restricted areas, inspired the novel’s gripping narrative and its profound theme of 'pentimento'—the idea that life’s rough drafts, filled with regrets and flaws, are essential to creating a masterpiece. He also delves into his fascination with the U.S. Witness Protection Program, explaining how it has evolved from protecting mob informants to safeguarding accountants, terrorists, and whistleblowers, while highlighting the emotional toll of severing all ties to one’s past. Meltzer reflects on his prolific career across genres—from children’s books to nonfiction and television—attributing his success to resilience, rejection, and a deep belief that 'a good story is a good story.' He passionately defends the power of heroes in children’s literature, especially in the face of book bans, and argues that the real danger isn’t censorship, but the erosion of shared values and empathy in society. Ultimately, Meltzer champions the idea that ordinary people, through courage and perseverance, are the true architects of change.
Life’s 'rough drafts'—regrets, failures, and flaws—are essential to creating a masterpiece; embrace them as part of your journey.
Dover Air Force Base is not just a funeral home but a place of profound hope, where morticians restore dignity to the fallen with quiet heroism.
Witness protection fails not because of poor planning, but because people can’t resist the pull of their past—missing family, friends, and identity.
The most powerful stories come from what you can’t shake: when an idea haunts you for years, it’s a sign you must tell it.
Book bans are not about content but about fear—fear of difference, fear of truth, and fear of inspiring children to be brave.
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The Power of Banned Books and the Fight for Truth
“They gave speeches that are so impassioned. It was like the end of Braveheart.”
Pentimento: The Beauty of Life’s Rough Drafts
“In life as in art, the rough draft is littered with regrets and flaws, but you can't make a masterpiece without them.”
Dover: America’s Most Secretive Funeral Home
“I can't make that up on my best day. That came from my mortician friend who was like, no dummy, it's not Play-Doh here. You got to make it look real.”
Witness Protection: The Myth of a New Life
Meltzer debunks the myth of a perfect new identity, explaining that witness protection is not about plastic surgery but about complete emotional and physical severance. He reveals that the program now protects accountants, whistleblowers, and terrorists—not just mobsters—and that the real danger is not capture, but the pull of the past. He shares the chilling statistic: 30 people have been murdered in the program, all for breaking the rules.
The Art of Storytelling: From Outline to Pivot
Meltzer explains his writing process: he only knows the ending (who did it) and builds the story in 50-page chunks, allowing room for unexpected turns. He shares how his first attempt to outline the entire book ruined it, and how the best stories emerge from spontaneity, not rigid planning. He compares writing to entrepreneurship—success comes from pivoting, not sticking to the original plan.
“What's a remarkable person is the people who are absolutely terrified and afraid and still do the thing despite it.”
“In life as in art, the rough draft is littered with regrets and flaws, but you can't make a masterpiece without them.”
“The idea that the entire world can be taken down by one person who just is like having a bad day. And that's terrifying to people.”
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