What now for IS fighters' families + quitting the Libs for 'Something Better'
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Australia faces a moral and legal reckoning over the return of 13 Australian citizens—four women and nine children—linked to ISIS fighters from Syrian detention camps. While the government insists these individuals will face prosecution under tough counter-terrorism laws, legal expert Ben Saul argues that denying return to Australian citizens violates fundamental rights and shifts responsibility onto war-torn nations like Syria. He emphasizes that children are victims of terrorism and that well-designed reintegration and de-radicalisation programs can effectively manage risks. The controversy has sparked fierce debate: some see the return as a humanitarian duty, others fear safety threats, especially among Yazidi communities targeted by ISIS. Meanwhile, former Liberal Party advocate Charlotte Mortlock has launched 'Something Better,' a movement aiming to create a new political party that transcends left-right divides. Motivated by disillusionment with both major parties’ failure to evolve, she seeks to unite voters from Greens, One Nation, and beyond through policy innovation—like fast rail and a gas tax—driven by public input, not elite consensus. With no financial backing and a focus on grassroots democracy, her vision is bold, idealistic, and explicitly not about personal political ambition. The episode exposes a deep national tension: how to balance justice, security, and compassion when dealing with citizens who made horrific choices abroad.
Australian citizens linked to ISIS cannot be legally barred from returning home under Australian law, according to international law expert Ben Saul.
Children returning from ISIS-linked camps should be treated as victims and enrolled in trauma-informed reintegration and de-radicalisation programs.
Australia’s refusal to repatriate its citizens shifts the burden onto unstable conflict zones like Syria, which is both unethical and impractical.
Charlotte Mortlock’s 'Something Better' movement aims to create a new political party by crowdsourcing policy ideas from the public, not elite insiders.
The movement seeks to unite voters across the political spectrum by focusing on unifying policies like fast rail and a gas tax, not ideological purity.
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The Return of ISIS-linked Australians: A National Crisis
“They're Australians and Australia is their country and no Australian government has a right to exclude Australian citizens from their own country.”
Safety, Justice, and the Yazidi Community
Concerns are raised by the Yazidi community, victims of ISIS atrocities, who fear for their safety. Ben Saul acknowledges these fears but argues that Australia’s robust counter-terrorism laws are sufficient to manage risk, and that children are not threats.
Charlotte Mortlock’s Political Revolution
“I'm not a defeatist. I'm not going to sit on the sidelines and complain... Why wouldn't we try and do something constructive?”
The Future of Australian Politics: Beyond the Status Quo
Charlotte argues that both major parties are failing to evolve, with unrepresentative memberships and a lack of innovation. She believes a new party can unite voters from Greens to One Nation through shared goals like fast rail and a gas tax.
Building a Party from the Ground Up
“I have spent my maternity leave, you know, building it myself. And yeah, there is no financial backup.”
“They're Australians and Australia is their country and no Australian government has a right to exclude Australian citizens from their own country.”
“I have spent my maternity leave, you know, building it myself. And yeah, there is no financial backup.”
“There is hardly a person in Australia who doesn't think we shouldn't have fast rail.”
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