More Happier: Are People Socializing More? Plus, Things That Have Achieved Perfection
Gretchen Rubin and Elizabeth Craft explore whether people are truly socializing more post-COVID, uncovering a subtle but meaningful shift in social behavior that feels both personal and widespread. Elizabeth shares her own surge in social activity—from spontaneous bad wine tastings to a new women’s hiking group—while Gretchen reflects on how her own preferences, like a deep appreciation for traditional music and perfectly formed objects, reveal a pattern of finding joy in timeless, well-crafted things. The conversation pivots to a fascinating list of items that have achieved 'perfect and final form'—like the tuxedo, blue jeans, saltines, and the lunchbox—highlighting how their enduring design feels both complete and satisfying. The episode suggests that social reconnection isn’t just about more events, but about a cultural recalibration: plans are easier to make, less draining to follow through, and more likely to happen because people are more willing to say yes. This creates a feedback loop of connection, making socializing feel natural again—like a well-designed object that just works. The episode ends with a powerful insight: the most meaningful changes often aren’t dramatic shifts, but small, consistent habits that build momentum. Whether it’s a Friday morning hike, a playlist of madrigals, or a tin of cookies, the joy comes from things that feel complete, intentional, and deeply familiar.
Socializing feels easier and more consistent now because people are more willing to say yes and follow through, reducing the emotional drain of planning.
Items like blue jeans, tuxedos, and saltines have achieved 'perfect and final form'—they’re so well-designed that variations don’t change their essence.
The lunchbox, baked goods tin, and perfume bottle are examples of objects that feel complete and satisfying in their form, even as they evolve.
Spontaneous, low-stakes activities—like a bad wine tasting—can create deep conviviality and shared joy without cost or pressure.
Habitual socializing builds momentum: the more you connect, the easier it becomes to keep connecting.
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Bad Wine Tasting: Joy in Imperfection
“We got more out of those bad bottles of wine than we ever would have gotten out of, you know, $100 bottle of whatever for sure.”
Gretchen’s Music Epiphany: Old-Fashioned Tastes
“I love these traditional songs. Like, I would sit and listen to a playlist of these traditional songs. I really love these traditional songs.”
Perfectly Formed Objects: The List of Perfection
“These are things where you're like, oh my gosh, I love this thing as it is and I don't want it to come in any other way.”
Newsletter Spotlight: Five Things Making Me Happy
Gretchen promotes her free weekly newsletter, highlighting a recent video of a 16th-century-style madrigal version of 'Stayin’ Alive' that made her laugh and deepened her love for traditional music.
“We got more out of those bad bottles of wine than we ever would have gotten out of, you know, $100 bottle of whatever for sure.”
“These are things where you're like, oh my gosh, I love this thing as it is and I don't want it to come in any other way.”
“And I just realized I love these traditional songs. Like, I would sit and listen to a playlist of these traditional songs. I really love these traditional songs.”
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