S11 E2: The Witching Hour
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In this deeply personal and enlightening episode of *Heaven Bent*, host Tara Jean Stevens continues her exploration of religious trauma with guest Sabina Magliocco, a retired professor of anthropology and religion. The conversation centers on dismantling the myth of the 'evil witch' rooted in Western folklore, Christian doctrine, and historical persecution. Magliocco traces the evolution of witchcraft from ancient wisdom keepers—cunning folk who healed with herbs and rituals—to the demonization of women during the medieval and early modern periods, culminating in the mass witch hunts that claimed tens of thousands of lives. She debunks the visual tropes of witches (broomsticks, pointy hats, cauldrons) as products of early modern printing and urban fear, not reality. The episode also examines the psychological roots of the 'witching hour,' reframing it not as supernatural but as a liminal time when anxiety, grief, and isolation surface in the silence of night. Stevens reflects on how the term 'witch' is still weaponized today, particularly against women who challenge patriarchal norms, and explores the modern reclamation of witchcraft as a form of empowerment, especially within Wicca and neo-paganism. Ultimately, the episode becomes a meditation on reclaiming the body, nature, and ritual—elements suppressed by evangelical Christianity—and a call to heal from religious fear through embodied, mindful connection with the world.
The historical 'witch' was often a healer and knowledge-keeper, not a demon; the demonization of witches was a tool of social control.
The 'witching hour' is not supernatural but a psychological phenomenon tied to nighttime anxiety, grief, and isolation.
Witchcraft accusations have long been used as a weapon against women, especially those who challenge patriarchal or religious authority.
Modern witchcraft and neo-paganism are acts of reclamation—turning a negative stereotype into a source of empowerment, wisdom, and connection to nature.
The body and the physical world are not evil; they are sacred creations that evangelical Christianity often taught to fear.
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The Legacy of the Evil Witch
Tara Jean Stevens introduces the episode, setting the stage for a deep dive into the cultural and historical myths surrounding witches, particularly as shaped by Christian doctrine and folklore. She welcomes Sabina Magliocco, a leading scholar on witchcraft and religion.
From Healer to Demon: The Evolution of the Witch
“These people had a very important role to play before the advent of biomedicine and people revered them for their healing powers, but they also could be suspicious of them as well because people who knew how to heal might also know how to hurt people.”
The Birth of Diabolical Witchcraft
“The witch not simply as an evil person who causes harm to neighbors and relatives... but as an agent of the devil, as someone who must be a kind of form of social pollution that has to be completely eliminated in order for the kingdom of God to exist.”
The Witching Hour: Myth vs. Mind
“When we wake up in the middle of the night, it's often because we've maybe had a bad dream or because our fears and anxieties are kind of roiling about. I mean, I think, or perhaps we've suffered some sort of grief and we wake up in the middle of the night and we remember the source of our grief.”
Witchcraft as a Weapon and a Reclamation
“When right society persecutes immigrants, takes people who are in the country legally and locks them up and tortures them, separates mothers and children, is intent on starving large percentages of the population... then the opposite of that is actually something good.”
“The witch not simply as an evil person who causes harm to neighbors and relatives... but as an agent of the devil, as someone who must be a kind of form of social pollution that has to be completely eliminated in order for the kingdom of God to exist.”
“When right society persecutes immigrants, takes people who are in the country legally and locks them up and tortures them, separates mothers and children, is intent on starving large percentages of the population... then the opposite of that is actually something good.”
“The witch is often conceptualized as the opposite of right society. But when right society is in and of itself damaging, then the opposite of that is actually something good.”
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Tara Jean Stevens
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Sabina Magliocco
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Heaven Bent
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Catholic Church
organization
Salem Witch Trials
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Evangelical Christianity
other
Old Testament
other
Witching Culture
book
Disney
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Isabel Gowdy
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