Giulio Douhet's Kind of War
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The episode explores the enduring and controversial legacy of Italian military theorist Giulio Douhet, whose 1921 book *The Command of the Air* laid the intellectual foundation for strategic bombing—targeting an enemy’s industrial capacity and civilian morale to force surrender. Martin De Caro and historian David M. Kennedy trace how Douhet’s vision, once dismissed as radical, became central to U.S. and British war planning, culminating in the devastating Allied bombing of Berlin in 1945 and the atomic attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Despite official claims of precision bombing, evidence reveals widespread civilian casualties and the psychological toll on crews who bombed without direct threat. The episode confronts the moral and strategic failure of morale bombing: it didn’t collapse German or Japanese resistance, but instead hardened resolve. Today, the same doctrine resurfaces in U.S. and Israeli strikes on Iran, with rhetoric echoing Douhet’s call to reduce enemies to the 'Stone Ages.' Kennedy warns of a dangerous overconfidence in air power—especially drone warfare—where operators in Nevada can kill from afar with minimal risk, creating a dehumanized, video-game-like war. The episode ends with a sobering question: if we can destroy entire societies with precision, are we still at war—or committing war crimes under the guise of strategy?
Strategic bombing, as theorized by Giulio Douhet, aims to break enemy morale and industrial capacity from the air, not just defeat armies in the field.
The 1945 bombing of Berlin killed 25,000 civilians but failed to collapse German resistance—proving morale bombing often backfires by stiffening will to fight.
U.S. air power doctrine long claimed precision bombing on military targets, but crews often dropped bombs on civilians when targets were obscured—'Women and Children Days' was a dark joke among pilots.
The U.S. signed the 1949 Geneva Conventions banning deliberate targeting of civilians, yet modern strikes on Iranian schools, hospitals, and power plants echo Douhet’s playbook.
Drone warfare from Nevada allows operators to kill 8,000 miles away with no personal risk, creating a dehumanized, video-game-like combat experience that requires mandatory therapy.
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The Return of Douhet's Vision
“We're giving them till tomorrow, 8 o'clock Eastern Time. And after that, they're going to have no bridges. They're going to have no power plants. Stone Ages, yeah.”
Douhet's Doctrine: Air Power as War's Endgame
David Kennedy introduces Giulio Douhet—Italian, French-sounding, from Savoy—whose 1921 book *The Command of the Air* argued that air power could end wars quickly by destroying enemy industry and terrorizing civilians, not just defeating armies.
The Berlin Blitz: A Test of Morale Bombing
“The Germans didn't surrender, not for another three months. So among the things that the strategic bombing survey people found out... terror bombing... had just the opposite effect of what was intended.”
The Myth of Precision Bombing
Though the U.S. Air Force claimed to only target military and industrial sites, pilots often dropped bombs on civilians when targets were obscured—leading to the dark joke of 'Women and Children Days.'
The Geneva Conventions and the Illusion of Legitimacy
The 1949 Geneva Conventions banned deliberate targeting of civilians, yet modern strikes on Iranian schools, hospitals, and power plants appear to violate this. The U.S. signed the treaty but continues to justify destruction as 'collateral damage.'
“giving them till tomorrow, 8 o 'clock Eastern Time. And after that, they're going to have no bridges. They're going to have no power plants. Stone Ages, yeah.”
“It means we will fly all day, all night, day and night finding, fixing and finishing the missiles and defense industrial base of the Iranian military.”
“The idea that any warrior at Thermopylae or Waterloo or whatever would need therapy after killing an adversary is just crazy because you're in combat and you're both in the heat of battle.”
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