The Game of Chicken: MLS Style
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson dive into the escalating 'game of chicken' between major real estate technology platforms and MLSs, particularly focusing on MRED's decision to withhold listing data from Zillow due to ZLASH rules. The hosts explore the implications of this standoff, questioning whether Zillow will ultimately prevail or if a national MLS like MRED can force change. They dissect the foundational assumptions that underpin the real estate industry—such as data ownership, cooperation, and the role of NAR—and challenge the idea that MLSs truly 'own' the data. The conversation shifts to the broader existential threat posed by AI, arguing that MLSs, NAR, and other institutions are structurally unprepared for rapid change due to slow governance and lack of nimbleness. The hosts emphasize that the future belongs to organizations that can pivot quickly, experiment, and adapt—highlighting that the real crisis isn't technology, but institutional inertia. They conclude with a shared conviction: organizational agility is no longer optional—it's essential for survival.
The real estate industry is in the midst of a 'game of chicken' between MLSs like MRED and platforms like Zillow, with no clear winner yet.
MLSs do not truly 'own' the data—they are stewards, not owners—and this myth undermines their authority and legitimacy.
AI is not just a tool but an existential disruptor; organizations that fail to become nimble will be left behind.
NAR’s role has shifted from policy enforcer to advisory body, and its future relevance depends on whether it can evolve beyond legacy structures.
The future of real estate belongs to those who can experiment, fail fast, and pivot quickly—nimbleness is the new competitive moat.
The Game of Chicken: MRED vs. Zillow
“I just don't see it going. And then maybe there's a lawsuit, maybe there's whatever but I just don't know. I think Zillow wins that game of chicken. We'll find out.”
Deconstructing the American Dream and Data Ownership
Rob and Greg unpack the myth of the American dream, tracing its origins to James Truslow Adams’ 1931 book and revealing that homeownership wasn't part of the original concept. They then challenge the assumption that MLSs 'own' the data, using the metaphor of 'cake vs. ingredients' to illustrate the power imbalance.
The Myth of MLS Data Ownership and the Rise of National MLSs
The hosts debate whether MLSs truly own the data, citing CRMLS’s 'cake and ingredients' analogy and the rise of national MLSs like MRED and RealTrax. They question the legitimacy of MLSs claiming ownership while relying on data from brokers.
NAR’s Evolving Role and the End of Centralized Control
The conversation shifts to NAR’s diminished power, with Greg arguing that NAR has effectively de-risked itself by abandoning policy-making in favor of advisory roles. The hosts debate whether NAR still has relevance, especially for smaller MLSs, and suggest it should focus on advocacy instead.
AI as an Existential Threat and the Need for Organizational Nimbleness
“The MLS is not structured today to be nimble. Period. End of story. You could talk about democratic governance all you want. It is not structured to be nimble.”
“The MLS is not structured today to be nimble. Period. End of story.”
“You need to be able to just act quickly and react quickly, admit mistakes. Oh, that didn't work. Okay, let's try something else. If you don't have that capability, you better build it.”
“I just don't see it going. And then maybe there's a lawsuit, maybe there's whatever but I just don't know. I think Zillow wins that game of chicken. We'll find out.”
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