CZM Book Club: Where the Phph Pebbles Go, by Miriam Allen DeFord

It Could Happen Here39mApril 26, 2026

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In this episode of the Cool Zone Media Book Club, host Margaret Kilgheim reads and dissects 'Where the Puff-Puff Pebbles Go' by feminist socialist science fiction writer Miriam Allen DeFord, a 1963 story originally published in Worlds of Tomorrow! The narrative unfolds on a planet where two dominant 'real people' compete in a game called Puff-Puff, hurling pebbles toward the horizon, while the subjugated 'ground dwellers' serve as spectators and laborers. The story takes a sharp turn when a thinker—a member of a ruling intellectual elite—attends the game, sparking chaos among the elite and revealing a deep-seated fear of external contact. The thinker reveals that pebbles thrown into space may have been detected by alien civilizations, prompting a covert plan to replace natural pebbles with artificial ones that carry false, dangerous signals to deter any potential invasion. Kilgheim frames the story as a biting satire of colonialism, class stratification, and the paranoid logic of the 'Dark Forest' theory—where civilizations must destroy any others that might threaten them. She praises DeFord for anticipating the themes of Liu Cixin’s Three-Body Problem decades earlier, highlighting the story’s radical feminist and socialist undercurrents. The episode closes with a call to action for listeners to read Ursula K. Le Guin’s 'The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas' and 'The Day Before the Revolution' for the next book club session, inviting engagement via Reddit.

Key Takeaways
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Colonial power structures are maintained through ritual, spectacle, and the control of information—just as the 'real people' use Puff-Puff to reinforce their dominance.

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The story satirizes the 'Dark Forest' theory: the idea that any civilization that detects another must destroy it immediately to survive, a concept later popularized in science fiction.

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Artificial reality can be weaponized—by replacing natural pebbles with falsified ones, the elite attempt to mislead potential alien invaders, revealing how truth is constructed and manipulated.

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The thinker class, though intellectually superior, is emotionally detached and fearful, embodying the danger of elite decision-making divorced from empathy or accountability.

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DeFord’s work is a radical feminist and socialist critique of power, written decades before similar themes became mainstream in sci-fi.

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Chapters
0:00
4 min

Intro and Podcast Promos

The episode opens with a series of promotional clips for other iHeart podcasts, including 2%, The Girlfriends, Look Back At It, Learn the Hard Way, and Love Trap, setting the tone for a media-rich, interconnected podcast ecosystem.

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6 min

Introducing Miriam Allen DeFord and the Story

Margaret Kilgheim introduces Miriam Allen DeFord as a pioneering feminist socialist writer and activist who wrote pulp sci-fi while also contributing to leftist magazines. She highlights DeFord’s early anti-fascist stance and her work on educational zines, setting up the story as both entertaining and ideologically charged.

10:00
14 min

Reading and Analysis of 'Where the Puff-Puff Pebbles Go'

We can make certain that nothing reaches them in the future, which gives them the least sign that any but the lowest forms of life, if even those exist in our world.

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24:00
16 min

Thematic Deconstruction and Cultural Commentary

It's really funny that people are like, oh, these books, they're so... They are absolutely fundamentally fascistic. They're interesting and they're really interesting sci-fi.

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40:00
8 min

Call to Action and Next Episode Teaser

Build spare rooms, hidden spaces in your walls. Bye everyone.

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High-Impact Quotes
The only logical solution is that if any creature in the dark forest, because we're all jaguars wandering around the forest, if any other creature is there, you have to kill them immediately and mercilessly even before you learn how to communicate with them.
Margaret Kilgheim45:59
Viral: 90.0
We can make certain that nothing reaches them in the future, which gives them the least sign that any but the lowest forms of life, if even those exist in our world.
Margaret Kilgheim33:10
Viral: 85.0
Build spare rooms, hidden spaces in your walls. Bye everyone.
Margaret Kilgheim49:08
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Margaret Kilgheim
Topics Discussed
Colonialism and Power Structures95%The Dark Forest Theory90%Moral Complicity and Ethical Dilemmas85%Feminist Science Fiction85%Radical Politics in Sci-Fi80%Social Stratification80%Alien Contact and First Contact75%Deception and Information Control70%
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Margaret Kilgheim

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15xPositive

Ground Dwellers

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Miriam Allen DeFord

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iHeart Radio

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Puff-Puff

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Dark Forest Theory

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8xPositive

Ursula K. Le Guin

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6xPositive

The Three-Body Problem

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Cool Zone Media

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