My CFP Expansion Anger + Clemson Behind The Scenes

Josh Pate's College Football Show1h 7mMay 8, 2026

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Josh Pate delivers a blistering, unfiltered indictment of the proposed 24-team college football playoff expansion, framing it as a betrayal of the sport’s soul. He argues that the expansion isn’t about fairness or tradition, but a self-serving move by coaches and administrators who’ve lost touch with fans and players. The core of his anger? That expanding the playoff to 24 teams would destroy the meaning of the regular season—turning it from a high-stakes tightrope walk into a safety net where any team with a few wins can qualify. He dismantles common justifications, from 'more meaningful games' to 'access for underdogs,' exposing them as bad-faith arguments rooted in financial self-interest. His most powerful point: the real enemy isn’t the size of the playoff, but the erosion of scarcity and consequence that made college football special. The episode pivots from rage to reverence with a deeply personal behind-the-scenes look at his long-awaited interview with Clemson’s Dabo Swinney, where he finds a rare coach who values integrity, long-term culture, and player development over short-term wins—proving that the sport still has heroes worth defending.

Key Takeaways
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The 24-team playoff expansion is wildly unpopular with fans—polls show 88-92% oppose it, making it the most unpopular proposal in college football history.

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Expanding the playoff to 24 teams devalues the regular season by turning it into a safety net, removing the high-stakes tension that made college football compelling.

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Coaches pushing for expansion are motivated by personal career incentives, not the sport’s best interest—many have contracts tied to playoff access.

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The argument that 'more teams should get a shot' ignores that most programs aren’t serious national title contenders; only about 50 teams realistically compete at the highest level.

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College football is at its best when it’s not its most profitable—programs like Michigan and Notre Dame preserve their aesthetic by refusing to sell stadium signage for revenue.

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10 min

The Truth Teller: College Football’s Playoff Expansion Crisis

This is the most wildly unpopular proposal that I ever remember. See, that's the key difference to me is back when we were in a four-team playoff, Jesse, and they said, let's expand it, I would venture to guess 60 plus percent of the public supported it. I didn't, but I knew I was in the minority. 60 plus percent of the public supported expansion at that time. We've run poll after poll. I've seen the athletic run a poll. Like Clay Travis, who by the way, what a fantastic baton drop by our boy supporting this nonsense. He ran a poll the other day. A bunch of folks have run polls. Every one of them is somewhere between the range of 88% to 92% against. It is very hard to get 90% of people to agree that the sky is one given color.

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10:00
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Debunking the Bad Faith Arguments

You're not creating more meaningful games. You're just taking meaning off of certain games and putting it on other games. Ohio State and Michigan, each facing each other at 10-1, not only know they're in the 2014 playoff, they're in with a bye, Jesse, according to some of the formats I've seen. And we've taken meaning off of a game that features teams actually capable of going on to win the whole thing, and we've manufactured meaning on like 8-3 Nebraska versus 8-3 Iowa, you know, to lock down the 22 seed.

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The Access Myth and the Coaches’ Motives

The coaches' voices matter. Absolutely, collectively, the coaches' voices matter. Am I surprised that people whose livelihood depends on them making the playoff, want a bigger playoff. Of course I'm not. Of course not. That's why we've said for months, years, I don't know, that coaches are not all due respect the source that I'm going to go to for this. It's not the collective opinion that I'm going to respect or even give a lot of attention to because their motivations are different than mine.

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The Real Reason: Financial Mismanagement, Not Survival

The answer is run your organizations in a fiscally responsible manner on the front end. And if you can't get out of the way and let someone else do it. continue to screw up, and then allow the people who made the original screw-up to screw up more to fix their original screw-up. Or put another way, we'll just spend our way out of it or we'll revenue our way out of it. That's what we'll do.

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The Soul of the Sport: Why Profit Isn’t the Goal

This show is at its best when it isn't its most profitable. This show, which we have control over, we think is at its best when it doesn't look like a NASCAR. When we turn down profit opportunities and revenue stream opportunities, could make a ton more money with it. A ton more money. We don't because in the interest of creating a product that is at its best, sometimes you got to say no to that sort of thing.

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High-Impact Quotes
The regular season in this sport is the most valuable commodity we have. The regular season in college football should make you feel something, especially if you've already got one or especially two losses on your resume. You should feel like you're walking a tightrope 100 floors above the ground. And if you fall off of it, you die. That's what's supposed to happen.
Josh Pate8:06
Viral: 88.0
This show is at its best when it isn't its most profitable. This show, which we have control over, we think is at its best when it doesn't look like a NASCAR. When we turn down profit opportunities and revenue stream opportunities, could make a ton more money with it. A ton more money. We don't because in the interest of creating a product that is at its best, sometimes you got to say no to that sort of thing.
Josh Pate28:44
Viral: 85.0
I've never seen Dabo do that. And I got a lot of appreciation for that is all I'm saying. And this really has little to do with the trip I took there because I thought this before that. It just kind of reinforced a lot of what I thought. So, um, I didn't leave there any more conflicted than I always am. In fact, I thought it was one of those trips that perfectly affirmed every belief I already had.
Josh Pate51:47
Viral: 80.0
Speakers

Host

Josh Pate

Guests

Dabo SwinneyKirby Smart
Topics Discussed
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