The Innovation Metric Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard Used

Killer Innovations with Phil McKinney19mApril 1, 2026

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In this episode of Killer Innovations, Phil McKinney dives into the overlooked innovation metric used by HP co-founders Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard—gross margin as a measure of innovation success, rather than R&D spending as a percentage of revenue. McKinney reveals that while Wall Street and most public tech companies rely on the R&D-to-revenue ratio, HP instead focused on margin, which directly reflects product differentiation and customer willingness to pay. By tracking the gap between cost and price, HP created a self-sustaining innovation cycle: successful products with high margins funded future R&D. McKinney uncovers this insight through a pivotal conversation with Chuck House, a former HP engineering director, who shared a decades-old paper proving the strong correlation between R&D investment and margin growth. He also explores the 'six to one ratio'—a key metric where successful products generated six times their development cost in profit—illustrating how HP prioritized outcomes over inputs. The episode exposes a critical flaw in modern innovation management: combining research and development into a single metric obscures strategic decisions and enables manipulation. McKinney concludes that true innovation success is measured not by spending, but by margin, differentiation, and long-term business impact. The episode challenges leaders to shift from input-based metrics to outcome-driven ones.

Key Takeaways
1

Replace R&D as a percentage of revenue with gross margin as the primary innovation metric—margin reflects true differentiation and customer value.

2

The 'six to one ratio'—where product profits are six times development cost—is a powerful indicator of innovation success and sustainability.

3

Margin compression is an early warning sign of innovation failure, often appearing years before revenue declines.

4

Research and development should not be treated as a single category—separating them reveals strategic misallocations and hidden risks.

5

Healthy margins enable self-financing innovation cycles, reducing reliance on external capital and short-term Wall Street pressure.

Chapters
0:00
5 min

The Flawed Innovation Metric Everyone Uses

Phil McKinney exposes the widespread reliance on R&D as a percentage of revenue as a flawed, input-based metric that tells companies nothing about actual innovation outcomes. He explains how Wall Street, boards, and CEOs are obsessed with this number, even though it can be manipulated without improving innovation.

5:00
5 min

The HP Innovation Blueprint: Margin Over Spending

Margin compression is an early warning sign. Differentiation is fading. Research is not producing.

Highlight
10:00
5 min

The Six to One Ratio: Measuring Real Innovation Success

Profit had to be six times the cost of developing that product. Not revenue profit. Profit.

Highlight
15:00
5 min

Why R&D as a Single Metric Is Dangerous

The moment you combine them into a single line item, you can move money from one to the other, and nobody outside the building can tell.

Highlight
20:00
0 min

The Legacy of HP’s Innovation Culture

McKinney reflects on how HP’s innovation culture was built on margin, long-term thinking, and outcome-based metrics—values that were forgotten over time. He emphasizes that HP didn’t need a breakthrough; it needed to remember what it already knew.

High-Impact Quotes
Margin compression is an early warning sign. Differentiation is fading. Research is not producing.
Phil McKinney16:36
Viral: 85.0
Profit had to be six times the cost of developing that product. Not revenue profit. Profit.
Phil McKinney12:01
Viral: 80.0
The moment you combine them into a single line item, you can move money from one to the other, and nobody outside the building can tell.
Phil McKinney17:45
Viral: 80.0
Speakers

Host

Phil McKinney

Guests

Chuck HouseArt FongJohn Young
Topics Discussed
Innovation Metrics95%Gross Margin as Innovation Indicator90%Six to One Ratio85%R&D Spending vs. Outcomes85%HP Innovation Culture80%Research vs Development80%Long-Term Innovation Strategy75%Wall Street Pressure on Innovation70%
People & Brands

Phil McKinney

person

15xPositive

R&D

other

12xNeutral

Bill Hewlett

person

12xPositive

Dave Packard

person

12xPositive

Chuck House

person

10xPositive

Gross Margin

other

8xPositive

HP Labs

organization

5xPositive

Wall Street

organization

5xNegative

Six to One Ratio

other

4xPositive

Art Fong

person

3xPositive

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