Cop Fatally Shoots Bad Guy During Pursuit After He Pulls Firearm On Video - LEO Round Table S11E064
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The LEO Round Table episode examines several high-profile law enforcement incidents, beginning with a tragic school shooting in Texas where a 15-year-old student fatally shot a teacher and then himself, sparking a discussion on school safety protocols and the effectiveness of 'protect in place' strategies. The panel, including retired Chief Joel Schultz and Lieutenant Randy Sutton, emphasizes that locked classroom doors are 100% effective in preventing student fatalities during active shooter events and critiques the media's disproportionate coverage of school shootings based on geography and demographics. The conversation shifts to a Colorado sheriff and four deputies indicted for criminal misconduct, including mishandling human remains and alleged use of excessive force during a mental health crisis. Chief Schultz provides context on the rural, under-resourced nature of the agency and stresses the importance of fair legal scrutiny despite public prejudice against small departments. The episode then analyzes two officer-involved shootings: one in Howard County, Maryland, where a 25-year-old man with autism was shot after approaching officers with a knife, and another in Dayton, Ohio, where a man was fatally shot after fleeing a minor traffic stop for riding a bike without a headlight. The panel debates the use of less-lethal options, tactical decisions like holstering a firearm in a dangerous situation, and the need for better de-escalation training and body camera narration. Throughout, the hosts advocate for evidence-based policing, systemic reform, and empathy for both officers and victims' families.
Locked classroom doors are 100% effective in preventing student fatalities during active shooter events—protect in place is the gold standard.
Small, under-resourced agencies face disproportionate scrutiny and must be afforded fair legal processes despite systemic challenges.
Officers should never holster a firearm when a weapon is present and accessible, even if it's dropped or discarded.
Lack of less-lethal tools like tasers or beanbag launchers can lead to tragic outcomes, especially in mental health crises.
Body camera footage must include verbal narration of threats and weapon sightings to ensure transparency and accountability.
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School Shooting in Texas: Protect in Place and Media Bias
“The safest place for a K-12 student is behind a locked classroom door when the bad guy is on the other side of the locked door. There have been zero fatalities of K-12 students when they are locked in a classroom behind a locked classroom door.”
Colorado Sheriff and Deputies Indicted: Systemic Issues in Small Agencies
“It's a small county. It's a poor county. Poor wages, poor recruitment, poor retention, all of the things that work against quality law enforcement, sad to say.”
Howard County Shooting: Autism, De-escalation, and Less-Lethal Tools
“This reveals why lower lethality type of objects can be utilized. They had no beanbag gun. They didn't try to deploy a taser or a wrap or anything else.”
Dayton Police Shooting: Pretextual Stop and Tactical Errors
The episode examines a fatal shooting in Dayton, Ohio, where a man was shot after fleeing a minor traffic stop for riding a bike without a headlight. The panel critiques the officer’s decision to holster the firearm after the suspect dropped it, and the failure to verbally announce the weapon’s presence. They emphasize the need for better training and body camera narration.
“The safest place for a K-12 student is behind a locked classroom door when the bad guy is on the other side of the locked door. There have been zero fatalities of K-12 students when they are locked in a classroom behind a locked classroom door.”
“This reveals why lower lethality type of objects can be utilized. They had no beanbag gun. They didn't try to deploy a taser or a wrap or anything else.”
“It's a small county. It's a poor county. Poor wages, poor recruitment, poor retention, all of the things that work against quality law enforcement, sad to say.”
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Dr. Joel Schultz
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Lieutenant Randy Sutton
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Chip DeBlock
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Costilla County Sheriff's Office
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Dayton Police Department
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Sheriff Danny Sanchez
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Howard County Police
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Alex Lamori
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Deputy Keith Schultz
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Reginald Thomas
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