Episode 135, Colorado Blue Spruce with Todd Schlafer

Little Things for Bonsai People1h 19mApril 23, 2026

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In episode 135 of *Little Things for Bonsai People*, host Evan Pardue welcomes Todd Schlafer, founder of First Branch Bonsai in Denver, Colorado, to discuss the Colorado blue spruce as a pioneering bonsai species. Todd shares his journey from a corporate art director to a full-time bonsai professional, highlighting how mentorship from figures like Jerry Morris and Harold Sasaki shaped his path. The conversation dives deep into the history of conifer bonsai in Colorado, particularly the rise of blue spruce after Ponderosa pines dominated early collections. Todd emphasizes the blue spruce’s resilience, adaptability, and forgiving nature—making it ideal for beginners while still offering rich potential for advanced artists. He details unique care practices, including post-collection handling, repotting timelines, and the importance of timing digs before bud break. A key theme is the genetic and morphological differences between blue spruces collected from ground versus rock, with the latter showing earlier growth and more drought tolerance. Todd also discusses the species’ natural affinity for alpine and multi-apex styles, advocating for preserving their wild character rather than forcing them into traditional forms. The episode closes with practical advice on sourcing material, the value of patience in development, and a passionate plea to let blue spruces remain true to their nature. Key takeaways include: 1) Colorado blue spruce is one of the most forgiving and versatile conifers for beginners and intermediates; 2) Timing is critical—dig before bud break and avoid repotting too soon; 3) Trees from rock environments are more drought-tolerant and grow faster than those from ground; 4) Let the tree’s natural form guide your design—favor alpine and wild styles over rigid traditional forms; 5) Avoid grafted nursery stock for authentic, long-term bonsai development. The tone is enthusiastic, educational, and deeply appreciative of the species’ unique character and potential.

Key Takeaways
1

Colorado blue spruce is highly forgiving and suitable for beginners due to its resilience and ability to recover from mistakes.

2

Collecting blue spruce before bud break and using shade post-collection significantly increases survival rates.

3

Blue spruces from rock environments grow faster and are more drought-tolerant than those from ground soil.

4

Let the natural wild form of the tree guide your design—favor alpine, multi-apex, and textured slab styles over rigid traditional forms.

5

Avoid grafted nursery stock; seek raw, collected material for authentic bonsai development and long-term growth.

Chapters
0:00
10 min

Welcome & Weather Report

Evan and Carmen kick off the episode with a lighthearted weather update from across the U.S., including tornadoes in Michigan, extreme heat in Louisiana, and a freeze warning in Colorado. They set a playful tone while highlighting regional contrasts.

10:00
10 min

Introducing Todd Schlafer & Bonsai Origins

I quit my corporate job to do bonsai. That's me. That's a cool hero or villain story. Origin story, I'm not sure which.

Highlight
20:00
20 min

History of Colorado Bonsai & Pioneering Species

For the most part, it was a lot of limbers. There was a lot of ponderosa. There was a lot of Rocky Mountain junipers.

Highlight
40:00
20 min

Care & Collection: Blue Spruce Secrets

They can stay like a little more wet and they don't soak as much. Where I found like Douglas firs... they tend to suffer.

Highlight
1:00:00
20 min

Genetics, Growth, and Design Philosophy

Don't domesticate them too much. Let them be spruces and let them grow like spruces.

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High-Impact Quotes
Don't domesticate them too much. Let them be spruces and let them grow like spruces.
Todd Schlafer71:35
Viral: 90.0
I quit my corporate job to do bonsai. That's me. That's a cool hero or villain story. Origin story, I'm not sure which.
Todd Schlafer7:11
Viral: 85.0
They can stay like a little more wet and they don't soak as much. Where I found like Douglas firs... they tend to suffer.
Todd Schlafer18:35
Viral: 75.0
Speakers

Hosts

Evan PardueCarmen Leskoviensky

Guest

Todd Schlafer
Topics Discussed
Colorado Blue Spruce95%Bonsai Collection & Harvesting90%Conifer Bonsai Care85%Pioneering Species in Bonsai80%Alpine Bonsai Style80%Genetic Variation in Wild Trees75%Bonsai Education & Mentorship70%Bonsai Container Design65%
People & Brands

Todd Schlafer

person

45xPositive

Evan Pardue

person

12xPositive

Ponderosa Pine

other

10xPositive

Carmen Leskoviensky

person

10xPositive

First Branch Bonsai

organization

8xPositive

Jerry Morris

person

7xPositive

Harold Sasaki

person

5xPositive

Underhill Bonsai

organization

5xPositive

Douglas Fir

other

4xNegative

Denver Botanic Gardens

organization

4xPositive

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