Rich Clarida on Navigating Monetary Policy in Choppy Waters

Macro Musings with David Beckworth52mApril 20, 2026

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In this episode of Macro Musings, host David Beckworth welcomes back Rich Clarida, former Vice Chair of the Federal Reserve and current professor at Columbia University and PIMCO, to discuss the evolving challenges of monetary policy in a period marked by persistent inflation, supply shocks, and fiscal imbalances. Clarida reflects on the Fed's successful disinflation from 2024, attributing it to timely rate hikes and anchored inflation expectations, despite a challenging backdrop of tariffs in 2025 and a sharp spike in global energy prices due to Middle East hostilities in 2026. He emphasizes that while fiscal deficits remain high—between 5% and 6% of GDP—the market has already priced in this risk through elevated term premiums and higher real yields, suggesting that investors are compensated for fiscal risks. Clarida also addresses the critical importance of maintaining inflation expectations anchor, especially amid 'once bitten, twice shy' psychology from the post-pandemic inflation surge. He advocates for a more nuanced approach to policy, including cross-checking policy paths against nominal GDP growth and re-evaluating the Fed’s balance sheet framework, which he argues should be reviewed for its long-term implications on financial stability and Fed independence. Finally, Beckworth and Clarida explore the potential of AI-driven synthetic FOMC simulations to model committee dynamics and improve policy design, highlighting the growing role of real-time data and machine learning in modern central banking. Key takeaways include: (1) Inflation expectations remain anchored despite persistent above-target inflation, a testament to the Fed’s credibility; (2) Central banks must navigate supply shocks not by reacting to them, but by maintaining long-term inflation credibility; (3) Nominal GDP targeting, even as a cross-check, could help central banks avoid policy mistakes during periods of economic volatility; (4) The Fed’s large balance sheet should be evaluated not just for size, but for composition and its impact on financial stability and independence; and (5) AI and real-time data models offer promising tools for improving monetary policy analysis and decision-making. The episode concludes on an optimistic note, underscoring the resilience of the U.S. economy and the potential for innovation in central banking.

Key Takeaways
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Inflation expectations remain anchored despite years of above-target inflation, reflecting the Fed’s long-term credibility.

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Central banks must navigate supply shocks by focusing on long-term inflation expectations, not just immediate price pressures.

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Nominal GDP growth should be used as a cross-check for monetary policy decisions, even if not adopted as a formal target.

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The Fed’s balance sheet should be reviewed for its composition, size, and long-term implications on financial stability and independence.

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AI-driven simulations of FOMC dynamics can provide valuable insights into committee behavior, politics, and policy outcomes.

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Chapters
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5 min

Introduction and Personal Connection

David Beckworth welcomes back Rich Clarida, reflecting on their shared history since the podcast's inception in 2016. They recount how their relationship began through John Taylor, evolved at the Cato Conference in 2018, and deepened through multiple podcast appearances, including a bonus episode on Clarida’s music career.

5:00
10 min

Disinflation Success and the 2024 Soft Landing

Through 2024, it was about as close as you can get in the real world to a soft landing disinflation.

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15:00
10 min

The Role of Tariffs and Energy Shocks in 2025–2026

In 2025, the tariffs were put in place... and that was obviously a relevant factor in the US.

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25:00
10 min

Fiscal Policy, Market Reactions, and the Term Premium

Markets have digested it and repriced and reset higher yields.

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35:00
10 min

Inflation Expectations and the Risk of 'Once Bitten, Twice Shy'

It is remarkable, though, looking back how resilient inflation expectations have been.

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High-Impact Quotes
Something that cannot go on forever will stop.
Herb Stein (quoted by Rich Clarida)8:43
Viral: 92.0
If I were back at the Fed, I would spend more time looking at the implications for nominal GDP growth of various Fed scenarios.
Rich Clarida31:17
Viral: 90.0
The reality... is that their jobs are much easier when the shocks are to demand.
Rich Clarida24:01
Viral: 88.0
Speakers

Host

David Beckworth

Guest

Rich Clarida
Topics Discussed
monetary policy in turbulent times95%inflation expectations and credibility90%supply shocks and policy response88%fiscal policy and debt sustainability85%fed balance sheet composition and size82%nominal gdp targeting as a policy tool80%ai and synthetic models in central banking78%real-time data and machine learning in macroeconomics75%
People & Brands

Rich Clarida

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120xPositive

David Beckworth

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95xPositive

Federal Reserve

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U.S. Treasury

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25xNeutral

Milton Friedman

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8xPositive

COVID-19 pandemic

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6xNegative

PIMCO

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6xPositive

CBO

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5xNeutral

Middle East conflict

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5xNegative

John Taylor

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4xPositive

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