From "How We Survive": How to Dim the Sun
A private startup called Make Sunsets is literally launching balloons filled with sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere—on a rooftop in Northern California—claiming it can cool the planet by mimicking volcanic eruptions. The episode follows journalist Amy Scott as she documents the launch of these experimental 'cooling credits,' where customers pay as little as $1 to offset a ton of CO2 by releasing one gram of sulfur into the upper atmosphere. While the founders, Andrew Song and Luke Eisman, frame their work as a desperate but necessary step to combat climate change, the episode reveals deep ethical, scientific, and political fissures. Climate scientists like David Keith and Kate Marvel warn that solar geoengineering is not a silver bullet—it can’t reverse ocean acidification, may disrupt rainfall patterns, and risks creating a dangerous moral hazard by letting fossil fuel emitters off the hook. Critics like environmental activist Gary Hughes argue that such decisions should not be left to billionaires or startups, especially without global consent. The real-world test case of the USS Hornet in Alameda, where a cloud-brightening experiment was shut down by local officials, underscores the public’s fear of untested, unilateral climate interventions. As the episode closes, the central question lingers: if we’re already altering the planet, who gets to decide how—and at what cost? The episode challenges the myth of 'easy fixes' in climate action.
Launching sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere via balloons is now being done by a private startup, Make Sunsets, in California.
One gram of sulfur dioxide can offset the warming from a ton of CO2, sold as 'cooling credits' for as little as $1.
Stratospheric aerosol injection could cool the planet by half a degree Celsius, but risks disrupting rainfall and damaging the ozone layer.
Volcanic eruptions like Mount Pinatubo naturally provide real-world analogs, cooling the planet for over a year.
Geoengineering may create a moral hazard, reducing pressure to decarbonize and allowing the wealthy to avoid systemic change.
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The Climate Crisis and the Rise of Geoengineering
“We're going to launch some balloons and send them into the stratosphere filled with sulfur dioxide and hydrogen gas to get it up there. So in other words, just another Wednesday morning in Northern California.”
Inside Make Sunsets: The Balloon Launch
Amy and her producer climb onto a rooftop in the Bay Area to witness the launch of a weather balloon filled with hydrogen and sulfur dioxide. The team wears protective gear, and the balloon is released into the stratosphere, symbolizing the startup’s mission.
The Ethical Dilemma of Private Climate Control
“The only thing worse than a private company doing this is no one doing this at all.”
The Science Behind Stratospheric Aerosol Injection
The episode dives into the science: sulfur dioxide forms sulfate aerosols in the stratosphere, reflecting sunlight and cooling the planet. The stratosphere is ideal because particles stay there for two years, unlike lower-atmosphere pollution.
The Hidden Costs of Sulfate Pollution
“Sulfate aerosols are perhaps humanity's worst environmental pollutant of all time, literally.”
“A lot of the proponents of geoengineering, they really don't want scrutiny. Because if you look at it closely and you start to peel the onion, you find some really, really smelly, rotten sections underneath.”
“For one thing, just turning down the thermostat won't cancel out some of the other effects of greenhouse gas emissions, like the ocean acidification that's killing off coral reefs and other marine life.”
“And the reason is that sulfate aerosols are perhaps humanity's worst environmental pollutant of all time, literally.”
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Make Sunsets
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Andrew Song
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Luke Eisman
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David Keith
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Gary Hughes
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Kate Marvel
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USS Hornet
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Mount Pinatubo
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Alameda City Council
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Laki
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