At the Money: Seeking Uncorrelated Returns

Masters in Business17mApril 8, 2026

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In this episode of Bloomberg's At The Money, host Barry Ritholtz explores the growing importance of uncorrelated returns in modern portfolio construction, focusing on managed futures as a powerful diversifier. With traditional 60-40 portfolios failing to protect against simultaneous stock and bond downturns—most notably in 2022—the conversation turns to alternative strategies that thrive when correlations collapse. Andrew Beer, founder of Dynamic Beta Investments and creator of the DBMF ETF, explains how managed futures, particularly through a low-cost, transparent ETF structure, can deliver positive returns during market crises like the dot-com crash, GFC, and the inflation surge of 2022. Beer argues that the strategy’s strength lies not in complex models or obscure markets, but in its ability to detect macro shifts early—such as rising interest rates, currency moves, or commodity spikes—through simple, liquid instruments like S&P 500, Treasury bonds, gold, oil, and major currencies. He emphasizes that efficiency and simplicity, not complexity, are key to outperforming expensive hedge fund versions of the same strategy. The episode concludes with a strong endorsement of DBMF as the most efficient, accessible way for individual investors to gain exposure to this critical diversifier. Key takeaways include: (1) Managed futures are one of the few proven strategies that deliver positive returns when both stocks and bonds fall; (2) The DBMF ETF achieves this through a simple, transparent portfolio of just 10 highly liquid futures contracts; (3) Efficiency—both in cost and execution—allows the ETF to outperform hedge fund versions by 300–400 basis points annually; (4) Investors should consider managed futures as a core diversifier, not a speculative bet; and (5) The strategy is especially valuable in an era of high inflation, geopolitical uncertainty, and potential loss of confidence in U.S. assets.

Key Takeaways
1

Managed futures are a rare asset class that delivers positive returns when stocks and bonds both decline, making them essential for modern portfolio diversification.

2

The DBMF ETF replicates hedge fund-level performance using only 10 liquid, transparent futures contracts—S&P 500, Treasuries, gold, oil, euro, and yen—proving simplicity beats complexity.

3

By eliminating costly, inefficient structures, DBMF delivers 300–400 basis points more than traditional managed futures, making it accessible to individual investors.

4

The strategy thrives on macro shifts—like rising rates, currency moves, or commodity spikes—allowing it to act as a 'portfolio immune system' during crises.

5

With growing market volatility and structural risks to U.S. asset dominance, managed futures are not a niche play but a necessary component of resilient investing.

Chapters
0:00
3 min

Sponsor: Vanguard's Active Bond Strategy

Vanguard's approach to fixed income investing is highlighted, emphasizing team-based active management over star portfolio managers. The firm's 80+ bond funds are managed by a 200-person global team, aiming for consistent results.

3:10
2 min

The Problem with 60-40 Portfolios

Since inflation started to come back, stocks have tended to move up and down with bonds and did not protect in 2022.

Highlight
5:20
5 min

Introducing Managed Futures as a Diversifier

Managed futures seem to be the rare diversifier that works when all correlations go to one.

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10:00
5 min

How Managed Futures Work (Without Jargon)

It's because they are early, contrarian and right in a big way.

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15:00
5 min

Why DBMF ETF Exists: Efficiency Over Complexity

We can beat some of the most sophisticated hedge funds in the world with this by three or 400 basis points a year through efficiency.

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High-Impact Quotes
Managed futures seem to be the rare diversifier that works when all correlations go to one.
Barry Ritholtz2:47
Viral: 90.0
We can beat some of the most sophisticated hedge funds in the world with this by three or 400 basis points a year through efficiency.
Andrew Beer18:52
Viral: 88.0
Since inflation started to come back, stocks have tended to move up and down with bonds and did not protect in 2022.
Andrew Beer3:55
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Barry Ritholtz

Guest

Andrew Beer
Topics Discussed
Uncorrelated Returns95%Managed Futures90%Portfolio Diversification88%60-40 Portfolio Limitations85%Hedge Fund Replication80%Macro Trend Detection78%ETF Efficiency75%Inflation and Market Crises70%
People & Brands

Andrew Beer

person

25xPositive

DBMF

other

12xPositive

2022 Market Crash

other

6xNeutral

Vanguard

organization

4xPositive

S&P 500

other

4xNeutral

Gold

other

4xNeutral

Oil

other

4xNeutral

Euro

other

3xNeutral

Dynamic Beta Investments

organization

3xPositive

Japanese Yen

other

3xNeutral

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