#234: Literary Lethality – Matterhorn with Michael Jerome Plunkett

MCA Scuttlebutt56mApril 7, 2026

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In Episode 234 of MCA Scuttlebutt, hosts Vic Ruppel and Nancy Litchman dive deep into Carl Marlantes' novel *Matterhorn*, a cornerstone of the Commandant's Professional Reading List. The episode features a compelling conversation with Michael Jerome Plunkett, creator of the P.B. Abate Book Club and host of the Lit War podcast, who shares his personal journey with the book—from first reading it as a college student to later meeting Marlantes himself. They explore the novel’s origins as a 1,700-page memoir from the 1970s, its decades-long evolution into a powerful work of fiction, and its enduring relevance for modern Marines. The discussion highlights how *Matterhorn* transcends military jargon to deliver a visceral, human-centered portrayal of leadership, trauma, and moral complexity during the Vietnam War. Plunkett emphasizes the book’s ability to bridge the civilian-military divide, offering both service members and non-military readers an authentic window into the emotional and psychological toll of combat. The episode also reflects on the novel’s pacing, its use of authentic military language, and the profound personal catharsis Marlantes found in transforming painful memories into literature. Ultimately, the hosts argue that *Matterhorn* belongs on the reading list not for tactical lessons, but for its unmatched power to slow down the reader, foster empathy, and illuminate the human cost of war through the lens of imagination and truth. Key takeaways include: 1) *Matterhorn* is not just a war novel—it’s a literary exploration of leadership, guilt, and identity under extreme pressure; 2) The book’s authenticity comes from its roots in lived experience, but its power lies in its transformation through fiction; 3) Its enduring relevance stems from its ability to connect generations and cultures, offering civilians insight into military life and veterans a space to process trauma; 4) The novel’s slow, immersive pace is intentional—it demands patience and presence, making it a rare form of mental and emotional training; 5) The story’s strength lies in its focus on the mundane horrors of war—like wet socks and sleepless nights—making the experience universally relatable. The episode closes with a heartfelt tribute to the perseverance of artists and writers who, like Marlantes, refuse to give up on their vision despite decades of rejection.

Key Takeaways
1

Leadership is not about rank—it’s about moral courage, emotional intelligence, and the weight of life-and-death decisions.

2

Fiction can be more truthful than nonfiction when it captures the emotional and psychological reality of experience.

3

The most powerful stories are those that transform personal trauma into shared human insight.

4

Patience and presence are essential skills—*Matterhorn* forces readers to slow down and truly engage.

5

The military’s legacy is not just in victories, but in the stories we tell about what it truly cost to serve.

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Chapters
0:00
10 min

Modern-Day Marines Expo & Winter Olympics Nostalgia

The episode opens with a lively discussion about the upcoming Modern-Day Marines expo in Washington D.C., highlighting its growth, events, and significance for the Marine Corps. The hosts share personal memories of the Winter Olympics, especially from their youth, using it as a metaphor for carefree joy and national pride. This nostalgic segment sets a reflective tone before transitioning into the literary focus.

10:00
10 min

Introducing Literary Lethality & Michael Jerome Plunkett

The hosts introduce the new series 'Literary Lethality,' dedicated to exploring books on the Commandant's Professional Reading List. Michael Jerome Plunkett is welcomed as a guest, celebrated for his work with the P.B. Abate Book Club and the Lit War podcast. The stage is set for a deep dive into *Matterhorn*, with a focus on its literary and leadership significance.

20:00
10 min

Michael's First Encounter with Matterhorn

I was like so into it that I was reading it while walking, like through the subways. I was like bumping into turnstiles in the subway because I was like not paying attention and I was trying to just get a couple more pages before I got to class.

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30:00
10 min

The Evolution from Memoir to Masterpiece

There were entire pages about the foot inspections they had to do, the socks that were falling apart after wearing them twice. And when he went back to the novel to revise it... he was like, what is this that I've put down here? This is not what I remember writing.

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40:00
10 min

Carl Marlantes: A Rhodes Scholar’s Moral Duty

He didn’t agree politically, spiritually, philosophically what the United States was doing. He felt he had a moral obligation to fulfill his duty... He rescinds his scholarship, goes back to the States and immediately receives orders to go to Vietnam.

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High-Impact Quotes
By writing this out, it was a very emotional experience, that he'd literally burst out into tears, crying on the keyboard, feeling like he would come out of it and feel like, where the hell am I?
Michael Jerome Plunkett44:19
Viral: 92.0
The guilt that comes with certain decisions that you have to make that are very weighty decisions, that literally are life and death decisions that are going to stick with you for the rest of your life.
Michael Jerome Plunkett43:13
Viral: 88.0
The literature has the power to slow down your, the metabolic rate at which you digest language and you're in the world around you.
Michael Jerome Plunkett54:05
Viral: 86.0
Speakers

Hosts

Vic RuppelNancy Litchman

Guest

Michael Jerome Plunkett
Topics Discussed
Leadership in Combat95%Military Fiction and Truth90%Vietnam War Legacy88%Veteran Reintegration85%The Writing Process82%Civilian-Military Divide80%Trauma and Healing78%The Power of Patience in Reading75%
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Matterhorn

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Carl Marlantes

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Michael Jerome Plunkett

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Vic Ruppel

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Nancy Litchman

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Commandant's Professional Reading List

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8xPositive

Modern-Day Marines Expo

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P.B. Abate Book Club

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The Things They Carried

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Marine Corps Association

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