Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 97: The Hague

My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark1h 46mMay 20, 2026

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Marietta Yeager, the mother of murdered seven-year-old Susie Yeager, didn’t just survive her daughter’s murder—she forgave the killer on the phone, leading to a confession that solved one of the FBI’s first major profiling cases. This act of radical compassion, born not from weakness but from a fierce commitment to her own healing, shattered the myth that justice must be punitive. Instead, it revealed a deeper truth: forgiveness isn’t for the offender—it’s the only path forward for the wounded. The case, which launched the FBI’s Behavioral Science Unit into the spotlight, hinged on a psychological anomaly: David Meyerhofer, a Vietnam veteran with no criminal record, passed polygraph and truth serum tests because psychopaths can dissociate from their crimes, showing no stress. Yet the behavioral profile—based on the killer’s meticulous planning, lack of remorse, and obsession with control—led investigators to him. When human remains were found in his freezer, including Susie and another victim, the case became a landmark in criminal profiling, later immortalized in Mindhunter. But the real legacy isn’t in the investigation—it’s in Marietta’s life after: co-founding Journey of Hope, advocating against the death penalty, and even reaching out to the killer’s mother in grief. The episode’s title, 'The Hague,' transforms from a literal city into a metaphor for emotional redemption—a place not on a map, but in the soul.

Key Takeaways
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Marietta Yeager forgave her daughter’s killer on the phone, leading to a confession and the first successful use of FBI offender profiling.

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Psychopaths can pass polygraph and truth serum tests because they dissociate from their crimes and show no stress reactions.

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The Susie Yeager case marked the first real-time use of criminal profiling by the FBI’s Behavioral Science Unit, a turning point in investigative history.

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Marietta Yeager co-founded Journey of Hope and advocates against the death penalty, proving forgiveness is a tool for the forgiver’s healing, not the offender’s redemption.

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Randall Sato escaped a psychiatric hospital after decades of denial, using fake IDs and cash—enabled by systemic failures like unmonitored conjugal visits and lax surveillance.

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Chapters
0:00
15 min

The 20s, Thanksgiving, and the Land O’Lakes Paradox

Karen and Georgia open with reflections on the emotional weight of their 20s, the chaos of Thanksgiving, and the absurdity of vintage Land O’Lakes memorabilia. They discuss the problematic Native American imagery on the butter packaging, sparking a conversation about cultural appropriation and the unintended harm of nostalgic branding.

15:00
15 min

The Gift That Started It All: A Vintage Land O’Lakes Tray

This is so good. Thank you so much. Yeah, I love it.

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30:00
20 min

The Art of the Forgotten: A Gift from a Fan

Karen shares the story of a mysterious painting of her cat Elvis, sent by a fan after a Minneapolis show. The painting, created by the fan’s drunk husband, becomes a cherished piece of art in her home. The hosts reflect on the power of art and the emotional weight of unexpected gifts.

50:00
25 min

The Case That Changed Everything: Susie Yeager’s Disappearance

This is like urban myth shit. Uh-huh. Okay.

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1:15:00
25 min

The Killer Who Passed Every Test

They thought he was the killer, for sure. These two dudes, Melania and Teton. But everyone else is like, hell fucking no, you're wrong.

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High-Impact Quotes
We're still here in America. We don't even know where the fucking country the Hague is in.
Georgia Hardstark68:46
Viral: 90.0
They thought he was the killer, for sure. These two dudes, Melania and Teton. But everyone else is like, hell fucking no, you're wrong.
Georgia Hardstark48:56
Viral: 88.0
Can you imagine being that brother? Being in Stockton with your family and friends. You haven't seen your fucking brother in 40 years. Your crazy brother that murdered someone. Knock on the goddamn door.
Georgia Hardstark95:03
Viral: 88.0
Speakers

Hosts

Karen KilgariffGeorgia Hardstark

Guests

Amanda KnoxDani Shapiro
Topics Discussed
true crime95%psychiatric hospital escape92%criminal profiling90%psychology of your 20s90%forgiveness88%serial killer psychology88%mental health awareness85%conjugal visits in mental hospitals85%false acquittal based on mental state80%true crime podcasting80%mental health75%identity and secrets75%systemic failures in mental health care75%cultural appropriation70%
People & Brands

Georgia Hardstark

person

27xNeutral

Karen Kilgariff

person

27xNeutral

Randall Sato

person

18xNegative

Marietta Yeager

person

15xPositive

David Meyerhofer

person

14xNegative

Susie Yeager

person

12xNegative

The Hague

place

11xNeutral

Land O'Lakes

brand

10xNegative

Hawaii State Psychiatric Hospital

organization

8xNegative

Sandra Yamashiro

person

6xNeutral

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