240 - Canada’s NASA (with Trevor Kjorlien)
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In this episode of Off-Nominal, host Jake welcomes Trevor Kjorlien, a Canadian space enthusiast and former communications officer at the Canadian Space Agency, for a deep dive into Canada's space achievements and his personal journey from moon-watching hobbyist to space educator. Trevor recounts his life-changing moment watching the moon rise over Montreal, which sparked a passion for astronomy and eventually led him to build mobile planetariums for schools. He shares the story of his 'space nerd one-night stand' with Jake in Nashville during the 2017 solar eclipse, where a spontaneous national anthem singalong introduced him to American culture and solidified his love for space. The conversation explores the cultural significance of Canada's space program—often referred to as 'Canada’s NASA'—and highlights the unique Canadian touches during the Artemis II mission, such as multilingual communications and Indigenous land acknowledgments. Trevor also discusses the technical and emotional challenges of organizing mobile planetarium shows, using affordable, DIY setups with software like Stellarium and Gaia Sky. The episode ends with reflections on the perfect timing of space missions for public engagement, the importance of hype cycles, and the joy of sharing wonder with children through accessible science education.
Canada's space program, while smaller than NASA, has a significant cultural and scientific impact, often referred to as 'Canada’s NASA'.
Personal awe moments—like watching the moon rise—can spark lifelong passions in science and space exploration.
Mobile planetariums built with low-cost, DIY tech (inflatable domes, projectors, spherical mirrors) are powerful tools for science education in schools.
The timing of space missions (e.g., Artemis II) creates ideal public engagement windows, making hype sustainable and impactful.
Multilingual communication and Indigenous land acknowledgments during space missions reflect deep Canadian identity and values.
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Welcome to Canada’s NASA: Trevor’s Origin Story
“I was like, wow, it's like a one in a million shot that that would happen. Like what are the odds that the moon would be rising? I'm seated on the correct side of the plane to be able to see it.”
The Nashville Eclipse One-Night Stand
“I was super confused trying to pay and then I finally come back. I think halfway through the anthem I see you and I'm like looking at you and I'm like, I forget what I said. I was like, is this normal?”
From Moonrise to Mobile Planetariums
“I went home and I like- The Bilderberg group, yeah. Big moon. Yeah, big moon probably. Big moon. So I Googled like moonrise? I'm like, oh, they do know when the moon rises.”
Inside the Canadian Space Agency
Trevor shares his year-long experience at the Canadian Space Agency, including working with astronauts like Jeremy Hansen, fact-checking during live broadcasts, and navigating the transition after the Queen’s passing.
Building the DIY Planetarium
Trevor explains the technical setup of his mobile planetariums—using inflatable domes, spherical mirrors, and free software like Stellarium and Gaia Sky—to bring immersive astronomy experiences to schools.
“I was like, wow, it's like a one in a million shot that that would happen. Like what are the odds that the moon would be rising? I'm seated on the correct side of the plane to be able to see it.”
“I think all these systems are too fickle to actually count on, right? Even... Like get the kids pumped for the next Starship launch. When are you going to tell them to tune in?”
“It's like, oh, you can land a guy on the moon but you can't do a PowerPoint or you can't do a video call or you can't do a Zoom.”
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Jake
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Artemis II
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Trevor Kjorlien
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Canadian Space Agency
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Jeremy Hansen
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Nashville Solar Eclipse
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Montreal
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2017 Solar Eclipse
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Stellarium
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Gaia Sky
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