An analysis of GSA's proposed AI clause
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In this episode of Off the Shelf, host Roger Waldron interviews Jonathan Arney, a partner at Shepard Mullen and a long-time advocate for government procurement reform, about two major developments in federal contracting: the GSA's proposed AI clause and a new executive order on DEI enforcement. Arney discusses the GSA's draft clause requiring contractors to disclose all AI systems used in contract performance and to use only American AI systems, highlighting significant ambiguities around definitions like 'use' and 'American,' which could stifle innovation and burden commercial firms. He draws parallels to the recent court ruling in the Anthropic litigation, where a preliminary injunction blocked broad government restrictions on using Anthropic's AI, emphasizing the need for clear, workable rules that don't deter cutting-edge technology providers. Arney also details the new DEI executive order, which mandates contractors to report subcontractor conduct that may violate DEI clauses, submit to audits, and face contract cancellation or debarment for noncompliance. He stresses that the clause explicitly treats DEI compliance as material to payment decisions under the False Claims Act, significantly increasing legal risk. Both topics underscore the tension between national security, innovation, and regulatory compliance in federal contracting. Key takeaways include: 1) The GSA’s AI clause must clarify ambiguous terms like 'use' and 'American' to avoid deterring commercial innovation; 2) Contractors should submit comments on the GSA AI clause before the deadline, as the extension signals serious consideration of feedback; 3) The new DEI executive order introduces unprecedented reporting and audit obligations, raising both likelihood and consequence of enforcement; 4) Companies must integrate DEI compliance into cross-functional risk management, involving HR, legal, finance, and contracts teams; 5) The False Claims Act linkage makes DEI compliance a material contract term, potentially eliminating the defense of 'non-materiality' in fraud cases. The overall tone is cautiously urgent, emphasizing proactive compliance and stakeholder engagement.
Clarify ambiguous terms like 'use' and 'American' in the GSA’s AI clause to avoid stifling innovation.
Submit comments on the GSA AI clause before the deadline—GSA’s extension signals genuine openness to feedback.
The new DEI executive order mandates reporting of subcontractor conduct and audits, increasing compliance risk.
DEI compliance is now treated as material to government payment under the False Claims Act, reducing legal defenses.
Integrate DEI compliance across HR, legal, finance, and contracts teams to manage risk effectively.
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Introduction and Guest Welcome
Roger Waldron introduces the show and welcomes Jonathan Arney, a longtime friend and partner at Shepard Mullen, back to the studio. The episode begins with a personal note as Arney shares his journey since being diagnosed with leukemia in 2022, including a life-saving stem cell transplant from his daughter and his recovery at Johns Hopkins.
Anthropic Litigation Update and Preliminary Injunction
“The court said not so fast. Or even, you know, Anthropic being used or Claude being used to develop agents, create agents to do analysis of markets to support a company and they happen to do government business. I mean that's all those kind of things.”
GSA’s Proposed AI Clause: Key Concerns and Ambiguities
“Even the idea of knowing where software comes from these days is a near impossibility if that's really what the rule is talking about.”
Innovation, Risk, and the Role of the Commercial Market
“The federal government doesn't drive innovation. The commercial market drives innovation, right? You had the space program. You had defense in the 60s. Like there was a time and place where things were driven by the government. But the commercial market does.”
New Executive Order on DEI Enforcement: Key Provisions
Arney details the new executive order on DEI enforcement for contractors, outlining six key requirements: no racially discriminatory DEI activities, mandatory reporting of subcontractor conduct, contract cancellation for noncompliance, reporting of lawsuits challenging the clause’s validity, and recognition that DEI compliance is material to payment under the False Claims Act.
“The federal government doesn't drive innovation. The commercial market drives innovation, right? You had the space program. You had defense in the 60s. Like there was a time and place where things were driven by the government. But the commercial market does.”
“Even the idea of knowing where software comes from these days is a near impossibility if that's really what the rule is talking about.”
“The court said not so fast. Or even, you know, Anthropic being used or Claude being used to develop agents, create agents to do analysis of markets to support a company and they happen to do government business. I mean that's all those kind of things.”
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Jonathan Arney
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Anthropic
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Roger Waldron
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GSA
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False Claims Act
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Shepard Mullen
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Coalition for Government Procurement
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DOJ
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Northern District of California
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Johns Hopkins
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