Dolorology (PAIN) Encore with Rachel Zoffness

Ologies with Alie Ward1h 42mApril 22, 2026

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In this encore episode of Ologies, host Alie Ward revisits her conversation with pain psychologist Dr. Rachel Zoffness, whose new book *Tell Me Where It Hurts* offers a transformative look at dolorology—the science of pain. The episode dismantles the myth that pain is solely a sign of physical injury, emphasizing instead that pain is a biopsychosocial experience constructed by the brain. Drawing from personal experience with chronic pain and her neuroscience training, Zoffness shares powerful case studies, including a teenager who overcame four years of bedridden suffering through cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), illustrating how small, incremental changes can rewire the brain’s pain response. Key concepts like central sensitization, the pain dial metaphor, and neuroplasticity underscore the brain’s ability to amplify or reduce pain based on psychological and social factors. The discussion explores empathy-induced pain, the role of touch in pain modulation via gate control theory, and why intense pain—like childbirth—can be forgotten due to neurochemical flooding. Zoffness passionately critiques the lack of pain education in medical and psychological training, noting that 96% of U.S. and Canadian medical schools offer no mandatory pain education, fueling the opioid crisis and leaving patients isolated. She champions non-pharmacological tools like CBT, mindfulness, social support, and affordable resources such as her pain management workbook and upcoming book as essential for healing. The episode concludes with a call to action: seek support, challenge stigma, and recognize that chronic pain is treatable with the right tools and community. Alie Ward celebrates Zoffness as the 'Brene Brown of pain,' encouraging listeners to ask 'doofy' questions to foster connection and learning. The tone remains deeply empathetic, hopeful, and scientifically rigorous, blending personal stories with evidence-based strategies. From the science of phantom limb pain to the surprising pleasure found in masochistic experiences, the episode redefines pain not as a flaw, but as a complex, context-dependent signal shaped by the mind. The closing reflection on the comforting scent of Papier d'Arménie incense adds a sensory layer of emotional warmth, symbolizing how small, intentional pleasures can anchor us during suffering. Together, the conversation builds a compelling case for systemic change in healthcare and a more compassionate, holistic understanding of pain.

Key Takeaways
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Pain is a biopsychosocial experience—shaped by biology, psychology, and social context, not just physical injury.

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Chronic pain is often driven by central sensitization, where the brain becomes hypersensitive, amplifying pain signals even without tissue damage.

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Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) and other psychological strategies are powerful, evidence-based tools that can retrain the brain and reduce chronic pain.

4

Touch, massage, and sensory comfort can reduce pain through the gate control mechanism, where faster neural signals block pain messages.

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Pain is subjective and context-dependent—what feels unbearable in one setting can be pleasurable in another, such as in sex or masochism.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

Reintroducing Dolorology and Dr. Rachel Zoffness

I have a copy. It's wonderful. I chatted with her on the phone this morning and I asked her to send in a little 2026 updated message just for you.

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2:00
4 min

The Biopsychosocial Model of Pain

Pain is 100% of the time a biopsychosocial phenomenon. You're missing two-thirds of the pain problem if you only focus on the biological.

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6:00
4 min

The Brain's Role in Chronic Pain and Central Sensitization

The more you practice pain over and over, the bigger and stronger the pain pathway in your brain gets.

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10:00
8 min

CBT, Empathy, and the Science of Touch

Dr. Zoffness details how cognitive behavioral therapy helps break the pain cycle by targeting thoughts, emotions, and behaviors. She discusses the science behind empathy and sympathy pain, the role of mirror neurons, and how touch can inhibit pain through the gate control theory.

1:22:26
3 min

Empathy and the Brain: When We Feel Others' Pain

Yes, we have mirror neurons in our brain and we do feel other people's feelings.

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High-Impact Quotes
Pain education and pain medicine should be affordable and accessible to everybody.
Rachel Zoffness96:47
Viral: 90.0
If you're not targeting the brain, you are not targeting pain.
Dr. Rachel Zoffness80:40
Viral: 90.0
The brain can change. And if the brain can change, pain can change.
Dr. Rachel Zoffness82:08
Viral: 88.0
Speakers

Host

Alie Ward

Guest

Dr. Rachel Zoffness
Topics Discussed
pain education and access95%Biopsychosocial Model of Pain95%Pain Education in Psychology90%Central Sensitization90%gate control theory of pain90%Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for Pain88%empathy and pain85%Chronic Pain Support and Resources85%Public Awareness of Pain Science80%
People & Brands

Alie Ward

person

46xPositive

Dr. Rachel Zoffness

person

45xPositive

Rachel Zoffness

person

30xPositive

Ologies

media

25xPositive

Tell Me Where It Hurts

book

15xPositive

pain management workbook

other

8xPositive

marijuana

other

6xMixed

gate control theory

other

6xPositive

childbirth pain

other

5xNeutral

mirror neurons

other

4xNeutral

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