High-Speed Interconnects for AI & Physical AI with Samtec
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In this episode of OnTrack: The PCB Design Podcast, host Zach Peterson welcomes Matt Burns, Director of Technical Marketing at Samtec, to discuss the evolving role of high-speed interconnects in modern electronics, particularly in the context of AI and physical AI. The conversation explores how interconnects have shifted from being an afterthought in PCB design to a critical, early-stage architectural consideration—especially in data centers and AI systems. Matt highlights Samtec’s advanced connector solutions like SciFly LP, Accelerate HP, and SciFly HD, which enable near-chip and co-packaged interconnects for 112G, 224G, and emerging 448G data rates. These innovations support signal integrity, reduce loss by 5–6 dB through co-packaged designs, and allow seamless transitions between copper and optical connectivity. The discussion also extends to embedded systems, where Samtec is adapting data center advancements—like smaller, denser connectors and optimized signal breakout—to enable higher performance in ComHPC and other open standards, even as embedded applications lag behind by 2–3 generations. Finally, Matt envisions physical AI as a convergence of AI, robotics, and embedded computing, driving demand for compact, flexible, and high-density interconnect solutions that can fit into unconventional form factors, especially in humanoid robotics. Key takeaways include: 1) Interconnects must be designed early in the system architecture, not as an afterthought; 2) Co-packaged copper and optics offer significant signal integrity improvements (5–6 dB loss reduction) over near-chip solutions; 3) Embedded systems are adopting data center interconnect innovations at a slower pace but are rapidly catching up; 4) The rise of physical AI and robotics demands smaller, more flexible interconnects; 5) Samtec’s focus on smaller pitches (down to 0.5mm), open standards, and multi-source compatibility enables scalability across AI, networking, and embedded applications. The overall tone is forward-looking, optimistic, and deeply technical, emphasizing innovation, adaptability, and the critical role of interconnects in enabling next-gen electronics.
Interconnects must be selected early in the design cycle, not as an afterthought, especially for high-speed AI and data center systems.
Co-packaged interconnects (copper and optics) reduce signal loss by 5–6 dB compared to near-chip solutions, significantly improving signal integrity.
Samtec’s SciFly HD and Accelerate HP connectors support 112G, 224G, and 448G data rates with high-density, substrate-based architectures.
Embedded systems are adopting high-speed interconnect innovations from data centers, with standards like ComHPC enabling PCI-5 and PCI-6 performance.
Physical AI is driving demand for compact, flexible, and high-density interconnects, especially in robotics and edge AI devices.
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Introducing Physical AI and the Role of Interconnects
“So with physical AI, what kind of system architectures are possible with Samtech products?”
Matt Burns’ Journey and the Evolution of Interconnect Design
Matt Burns shares his personal journey into electronics, from dismantling household devices as a child to earning a degree in electrical engineering. He reflects on how the design paradigm has shifted from treating connectors as an afterthought to a core architectural element.
The Shift from Afterthought to Architectural Core
“You know, that's the biggest trend is, you know, that design paradigm of 10, 15, 20, 25 years ago worrying about the connector at the end. In some instances, you still do that, right?”
High-Speed Interconnects for 112G, 224G, and 448G Systems
“We can route that copper to the front panel using an OSFP cage, or we can route copper to the backplane using some of our 224 backplane interconnect.”
Co-Packaged Interconnects and Signal Integrity Gains
“In Samtech's world, we've noticed a five to six dB improvement using the co-package copper or co-package optics interconnect over the near package copper, near package interconnect.”
“In Samtech's world, we've noticed a five to six dB improvement using the co-package copper or co-package optics interconnect over the near package copper, near package interconnect.”
“Physical AI, the cross between physical AI and robotics. right we're seeing humanoid robotics you know it's just expanding like crazy”
“We can route that copper to the front panel using an OSFP cage, or we can route copper to the backplane using some of our 224 backplane interconnect.”
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Samtec
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Matt Burns
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Zach Peterson
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SciFly HD
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TwinX Cable
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Accelerate HP
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ComHPC
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SciFly LP
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NVIDIA
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PCI-SIG
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