The Next Level Game: How to Stop Climbing the Wrong Ladder | Ep 981
Palmer, a high-performing sales professional, reveals a deep inner conflict: he's achieved conventional success but feels spiritually unfulfilled, yearning to create uplifting stories that inspire kindness and wholeness. The conversation pivots from his fear of instability—financial and reputational—to a powerful realization: his true genius isn't in creating a single masterpiece, but in being the 'pot' that brings others' visions to life. Niiamah Ashong reframes his creative identity not as a writer or director, but as a producer, curator, and emotional architect who thrives on aligning diverse talents, refining ideas, and energizing teams. The breakthrough comes when Palmer hears his own voice affirm: 'I want to contribute in any way.' This moment unlocks a new path—no credentials needed, no perfect script required. The episode culminates in a radical invitation: sign up for a writing class and commit to three acts of contribution in the next two weeks, not to become a creator, but to become the catalyst for creation. The real game isn't about climbing a ladder—it's about building a world where others can soar. The core insight? Your greatest contribution isn't always your most visible one. Sometimes, it's the invisible force that holds the room, the one who says 'yes' to the messy, the incomplete, the 'almost'—and then helps it become whole.
Your creative genius may not be in making the art, but in bringing the art to life by aligning and elevating others.
Fear is not a stop sign—it's a compass pointing toward your unconventional, unique contribution.
You don't need to be an expert to contribute; you only need to show up and say 'yes' to the work that lights you up.
The most impactful creative work often happens in the spaces between—refining, connecting, and energizing—not just in the spotlight.
Conventional success is a milestone, not a destination. The next level is serving others by helping them become who they’re meant to be.
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The Weight of Being 'Too Much'
Palmer shares how he felt dismissed when labeled 'a lot,' revealing a deep internal conflict between authenticity and self-censorship. He recounts a moment at a conference where he felt burdened by being the only one asking questions, leading to a realization: his 'excess' is not a flaw, but a source of abundance.
The Next Level Game: Beyond Conventional Success
“The difference between being the top person in sales and being a manager—they're just two different levels. You can be the top at one class, but it doesn't mean you're going to be playing in that other level.”
The Myth of the 'Perfect' Creator
Palmer confesses he doesn't see himself as a writer or filmmaker, despite a deep love for storytelling and aesthetics. He feels behind, unqualified, and afraid of starting. Niiamah challenges this mindset, reframing his value not in technical skill, but in intuitive vision and emotional intelligence.
The Power of the 'Unseen' Creator
“You may not be any of the ingredients. But you're the pot. If there was no pot, they're just like these separate ingredients that just like, like you can't make a stew.”
The Heart as Compass
“If there was one thing your heart needed to say right now, what would it be? Jump in. Jump into a set. Just contribute in any way and every way and just put yourself there because you will contribute.”
“So perhaps the greatest gift that you have is the fact that you don't know. The greatest gift that you have is that you haven't, you haven't been trained by all the same people to see all the things like if you get like, then anyone else could do that.”
“If there was one thing your heart needed to say right now, what would it be? Jump in. Jump into a set. Just contribute in any way and every way and just put yourself there because you will contribute.”
“And his thing was, if you can fill somebody else's sale and you can fill five people's sale or 10 people's sale, then you are 500 times as effective or a thousand times as effective as you yourself could be.”
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