P&S ModCast 451 - Common Core Firearms Training
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The three-part episode 'P&S ModCast 451 - Common Core Firearms Training' features a deep, reflective conversation led by Matt Lanford and a panel of seasoned law enforcement veterans, including Warren Wilson, Mark Fricke, Steve Zamo, Doug Deaton, Frank, Jordan, and others. The discussion traces the evolution of firearms training from the early 20th century to today, contrasting the relentless daily practice, natural talent, and survival-driven mindset of legendary gunfighters like Frank Hamer and Jelly Bryce with the modern era’s compliance-focused, minimum-standard training. The panel expresses concern over the erosion of foundational skills—consistent practice, communication, intelligence gathering, and intrinsic motivation—arguing that despite technological advances in simulators and targets, the human element of discipline and self-driven improvement has regressed. They critique administrative risk-aversion and the lack of real-world mental preparation, advocating for experiential learning such as hunting and autopsies to instill the gravity of lethal force. The conversation transitions into solutions, highlighting high-performing departments like Bakersfield and Prescott that use performance-based standards and competitive, fun training to boost engagement and results. The hosts emphasize that the public expects a 'gunfighter' in crisis, and agencies should unapologetically embrace that role through meaningful, challenging training that fosters individual initiative and mentorship. The episode closes with the host reflecting on the camaraderie within SRF Training and Consulting, promoting upcoming firearms courses in Wyoming and Alabama, and thanking Patreon supporters while endorsing High Desert Cartridge as a reliable, affordable ammo source for revolver training. The overall arc moves from critique to empowerment, calling for a cultural shift back to fundamentals while leveraging modern tools responsibly.
Consistent, deliberate practice behind the gun remains irreplaceable—no simulator or target can substitute for real-world experience and daily discipline.
Historical gunfighters achieved mastery through life experience, daily shooting, dry firing, and real-world application, not advanced gear.
Modern training often prioritizes compliance over performance, leading to a lack of elite readiness and mental preparedness for lethal force.
Experiential learning—such as hunting, autopsies, and competitive drills—helps officers internalize the gravity of their duty and improves real-world performance.
Performance-based standards (e.g., 80% cold hit rate) and fun, competitive elements significantly outperform lenient pass/fail systems in driving results.
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Introducing the Panel and the Core Question
“You should have been dead, but you're not. Multiple times over, yeah. Yeah, and it's like, what did you do?”
Historical Foundations of Law Enforcement Training
Mark Fricke provides a detailed historical overview, tracing formal firearms training back to Teddy Roosevelt’s 1901 initiative in New York City and the development of early targets like the B-26 and silhouette designs. He discusses the military’s role in shaping handgun training and the evolution of formalized law enforcement programs in the 1920s and 1930s.
The Mindset and Culture of the Old Gunfighters
“There's my mother and there's Pat Hamer openly talking about, you know, what Frank and his brothers did... and it was just no thought about it whatsoever.”
The Mindset Gap: Why Recruits Struggle with Lethal Force
“There's nothing wrong with telling your recruits you're a gunfighter now. You're a gunfighter now. And people expect you to be a gunfighter.”
The Role of Experience in Training: Hunting and Autopsies
“I would make every police recruit in America go hog hunting with me and go kill something with hair on it with your firearm before you actually go into field training so that you can see for yourself what your duty weapon will actually do.”
“I would make every police recruit in America go hog hunting with me and go kill something with hair on it with your firearm before you actually go into field training so that you can see for yourself what your duty weapon will actually do.”
“There's my mother and there's Pat Hamer openly talking about, you know, what Frank and his brothers did... and it was just no thought about it whatsoever.”
“It's like trying to say that we're going to train everybody, it'd be like bringing Michael Jordan in to train the high school basketball team and then expect all of those guys to operate at the same level as Michael Jordan.”
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Matt Lanford
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Jelly Bryce
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Mark Fricke
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Doug Deaton
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Mark
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Matt
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Charles Askins
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Teddy Roosevelt
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Jordan
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