Episode 168 - Yes Steel Cage Match
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In this special 'Steel Cage Match' episode of Progressive Palaver, hosts Joe Boclair, Paul Zotter, and Ken Gregory engage in a spirited, multi-layered debate over three recent Yes-related releases: Yes Official's *Mirror to the Sky* (2023), Trevor Rabin's *Rio* (2023), and John Anderson & The Band Geeks' *True* (2024). Spanning a tight 15-month window, these albums represent divergent visions of the Yes legacy—official continuity, solo reinvention, and nostalgic homage. The trio evaluates each record across eight categories, including best songwriting, best production, best vocals, best cover, best album, most accessible, best opening song, and most 'Yes.' While *True* wins overall with 15 out of 27 points, particularly excelling in songwriting, production, and emotional resonance, *Rio* earns acclaim for its bold, cinematic complexity and standout vocals. *Mirror to the Sky* is praised for its professionalism and orchestral ambition but criticized for inconsistent vocals and production choices. The episode reveals deep affection for Yes’s evolving identity, with the hosts ultimately concluding that *True* best embodies the spirit of Yes—not through imitation, but through heartfelt, cohesive homage. The discussion is both affectionate and critical, celebrating creativity while wrestling with authenticity, legacy, and the future of progressive rock. Key takeaways include: 1) The spirit of Yes can live beyond its original members through inspired reinterpretation; 2) Emotional authenticity and cohesion often outweigh technical complexity in evaluating 'Yes-ness'; 3) The band’s legacy is not monolithic—it’s a living, evolving conversation across generations and interpretations. The hosts emphasize that while some albums may feel derivative, genuine passion and craftsmanship can transform homage into art. The episode closes with a forward-looking suggestion to explore Stephen Wilson Jr.'s *Harmony Codex* and *Mixed Mind* as the next steps in their progressive rock deep dive.
The spirit of Yes is not defined by lineage but by emotional authenticity and musical cohesion.
Albums that feel like heartfelt homage—like *True*—can be more 'Yes' than those attempting to replicate the past.
Technical brilliance (e.g., *Rio*) doesn’t always equate to emotional or artistic success.
Production choices—especially vocal mixing and orchestral integration—can make or break a Yes album.
The most accessible and enjoyable album isn’t always the 'best' in a technical sense, but it can be the most impactful.
Introduction to the Steel Cage Match
“What is yes? Who has it currently? Who doesn't? What does it all mean? And in some regards, what could have been?”
Album Introductions and Initial Reactions
The hosts provide detailed overviews of each album’s release, personnel, and context. They share personal listening experiences, noting initial skepticism, excitement, and surprise—especially regarding *True*, which initially seemed unappealing but ultimately won them over.
Best Songwriting and Production
“I can unprompted, I can hum melodies off of half the album of True. Yeah. I only can do that with maybe three Trevor songs.”
Best Vocals, Covers, and Opening Tracks
“It's like somebody just puts the lights on and everything is happy and you are everything. You are me.”
Best Album, Most Accessible, and Favorite
“If I'm jumping in the car and I'm going to go for a spin and I got one of these three albums to choose from it's Rio seven days a week twice on Sunday.”
“It's like somebody just puts the lights on and everything is happy and you are everything. You are me.”
“When I play this and Kathleen's over, she's like, who's this? It sounds like yes. I'm like, it's just easier.”
“What is yes? Who has it currently? Who doesn't? What does it all mean? And in some regards, what could have been?”
Hosts
Trevor Rabin
person
True
media
Rio
media
John Anderson
person
Mirror to the Sky
media
Yes Official
other
The Band Geeks
other
John Davison
person
Steve Howe
person
Billy Sherwood
person
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