Jeremy Dutcher worked with improvisers to score this thriller
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In this episode of Q with Tom Power, host Jill Deacon sits down with acclaimed Mi'kmaq artist Jeremy Dutcher to discuss his groundbreaking work scoring the film *At the Place of Ghosts* (Ski Day Ga Moujue Ga Dig), a haunting thriller exploring themes of family, two-spirit identity, and Mi'kmaq culture. Despite having no prior experience in film scoring, Dutcher was drawn to the project through his long-standing creative relationship with director Bretton Hannum, who had previously used Dutcher’s music in *Wildhood*. The conversation delves into the deep cultural significance of language, the importance of collaboration over solitary genius, and the responsibility of non-Mi'kmaq artists in representing Indigenous stories with care. Dutcher reflects on the emotional weight of mispronouncing words, framing it not as failure but as an act of love and intention. He also shares how his work with Indigenous communities in Canada and Japan has deepened his understanding of global indigeneity and the power of language as a living, evolving force. The episode highlights the intersection of art, identity, and healing, with Dutcher emphasizing that 'to get it wrong is to care.' He and Hannum’s film uses sound and narrative to create a space for Indigenous futurism, blending past, present, and future. The discussion also touches on the broader cultural context—how music and storytelling can be both nourishing and transformative, avoiding the 'porridge' of didacticism in favor of captivating, emotionally resonant art. The episode closes with a call to spotlight lesser-known Indigenous musicians, underscoring the importance of amplifying diverse voices in the cultural landscape.
Collaboration, not solitary genius, is essential to creating meaningful art, especially in Indigenous storytelling.
Mispronouncing a language is not failure—it’s an act of care and intention, rooted in respect.
Language is a living, evolving force that connects communities across time and geography.
Art that blends cultural authenticity with emotional resonance avoids didacticism and invites audiences in.
Indigenous futurism in film and music reclaims narrative power by centering ancestral knowledge and identity.
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Introduction and Context
Jill Deacon introduces the episode, setting the stage with a brief mention of the podcast's theme and a transition into the main conversation with Jeremy Dutcher, highlighting his prolific career and recent work on the film score for *At the Place of Ghosts*.
The Film and Its Themes
“It's about these two siblings... they kind of both understand what that means and they kind of understand that oh we got to go in the woods and kind of bury this past that's been following us around or kind of just face it and deal with what we had witnessed.”
Collaboration and Creative Process
“I think this idea of like a solitary composer... You know, kind of the genius mythology that we put around music makers I think is such BS.”
Language, Identity, and Responsibility
“To get it wrong is to care. To get it wrong, to try and to get it wrong, even for you, is to care.”
Cultural Solidarity and Global Indigeneity
Dutcher reflects on his recent trip to Japan and his connection with the Ainu people, noting the similarities in ceremony and worldview. He emphasizes that Indigenous resistance and language revitalization are global movements, not isolated efforts.
“To get it wrong is to care. To get it wrong, to try and to get it wrong, even for you, is to care.”
“Don't go out and give them porridge. Don't go out and give them something good to eat that's good for them. Go out and make it entertaining and make people want to hear this music.”
“I think this idea of like a solitary composer... You know, kind of the genius mythology that we put around music makers I think is such BS.”
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Jeremy Dutcher
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Tom Power
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Mi'kmaq
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Jill Deacon
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At the Place of Ghosts
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Bretton Hannum
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Wildhood
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CBC Podcast
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Ainu
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Yo-Yo Ma
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