Why this biologist loves unpopular animals, and more…

Quirks and Quarks54mApril 17, 2026

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This episode of Quirks and Quarks explores a range of fascinating scientific topics, beginning with a deep dive into a 300-million-year-old fossil once believed to be the oldest octopus. Paleontologist Dr. Thomas Clements reveals through advanced imaging that the fossil, Falsipia, is actually a nautilus that lost its shell during decay, reshaping our understanding of cephalopod evolution. The episode then revisits a 1995 interview with Carl Sagan, who discusses the growing evidence of exoplanets and the possibility of life beyond Earth, reflecting on how science has fulfilled his childhood dreams. A study by Dr. Josh Cuddihy suggests that human evolution may have been shaped by fire, with genetic adaptations favoring survival from minor burns at the cost of complications in severe cases. The episode also examines a 14-year decline in spoken words—over 3,000 lost per day—driven by technology, with psychologist Dr. Valeria Pfeiffer warning of cognitive and social consequences. Finally, biologist Dr. Marlene Zook champions 'outsider animals' like rats, cockroaches, and raccoons, arguing that these often-maligned creatures offer vital lessons in adaptation, resilience, and coexistence. The episode closes with a call to rethink our relationship with the overlooked species that share our world.

Key Takeaways
1

Fossil Falsipia, once thought to be the oldest octopus, is actually a decayed nautilus, revealing new insights into cephalopod evolution.

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Human evolution may have been shaped by fire, with genetic adaptations favoring survival from minor burns—potentially at the cost of worse outcomes in major burns.

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Over the past 14 years, people have lost over 3,000 spoken words per day, driven by technology, with serious implications for social and cognitive health.

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Animals like rats, cockroaches, and raccoons are not pests but adaptable, intelligent species that can teach us about survival and coexistence.

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Understanding outsider animals can improve our risk assessment, reduce fear, and help us live more harmoniously with the species that share our urban spaces.

Chapters
0:00
18 min

The Fossil That Wasn't an Octopus

We can confidently say now that our understanding of the evolution of octopuses fits with the current fossil record.

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18:24
10 min

Carl Sagan on Exoplanets and the Search for Life

If by we you mean the planet Earth, yes. Now what about the chances of life? Okay, now there we have not found life elsewhere.

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28:46
15 min

Fire's Role in Human Evolution

We think that natural selection prioritised strategies to help us heal from smaller burns, but at the cost of complications in the larger burns.

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43:16
14 min

The Decline of Spoken Language

I think that there are some relationships between that, specifically thinking about having those spoken conversations and how it engages different aspects of your brain.

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57:31
33 min

Rethinking 'Pests': The Value of Outsider Animals

We're not going to get rid of them. It's just not possible. And I'm not saying, oh, well, we should just give up and have rats infesting our buildings.

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High-Impact Quotes
If by we you mean the planet Earth, yes. Now what about the chances of life? Okay, now there we have not found life elsewhere.
Dr. Carl Sagan14:44
Viral: 90.0
We're not going to get rid of them. It's just not possible. And I'm not saying, oh, well, we should just give up and have rats infesting our buildings.
Dr. Marlene Zook52:32
Viral: 88.0
We can confidently say now that our understanding of the evolution of octopuses fits with the current fossil record.
Dr. Thomas Clements9:11
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Bob MacDonald

Guests

Dr. Thomas ClementsDr. Carl SaganDr. Josh CuddihyDr. Valeria PfeifferDr. Marlene Zook
Topics Discussed
fossil discovery95%outsider animals and coexistence92%exoplanets and alien life90%human evolution and fire88%decline in spoken language85%urban wildlife adaptation83%animal behavior and intelligence80%evolutionary trade-offs78%
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Dr. Marlene Zook

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Dr. Thomas Clements

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Dr. Josh Cuddihy

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10xPositive

Dr. Valeria Pfeiffer

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10xPositive

Quirks and Quarks

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