How to navigate a crisis: lessons from a chief investment officer
When the weather is beautiful and the sea is quiet, everybody's a good sailor. It's in rough times that you can make a difference—this isn't just a metaphor, it's a professional philosophy for Yves Bonçon, Julius Baer’s Group Chief Investment Officer. With over 30 years of navigating crises from the 1997 Asian crisis to 2008’s financial meltdown and the ongoing US-Iran conflict, Bonçon argues that the most valuable skill isn’t predicting chaos, but responding to it with disciplined, rational clarity. He reveals that even crises you see coming—like the 2008 financial crisis—can surprise you with hidden mechanisms: investment banks had fake AAA-rated subprime bonds on their balance sheets, not because they were unaware, but because departments didn’t talk to each other. This ‘unknown unknown’ is the real danger. Bonçon’s core principle? Don’t stay wrong. If you’re wrong about a market move, reverse it quickly. The best investors don’t predict the future—they manage risk with flexibility, not rigidity. And while emotional reactions are inevitable, the real edge comes from staying rational, especially when others panic. For everyday investors, the lesson isn’t about timing the market, but about understanding the rules of investing, avoiding behavioral traps, and building discipline like following a doctor’s prescription—not gambling with your future. Bonçon also challenges the idea that crises are purely destructive.
Don’t stay wrong—reverse bad decisions quickly, even if you’re wrong about the market timing.
Even predictable crises like 2008 contain 'unknown unknowns'—like banks holding fake AAA subprime bonds due to internal silos.
Volatility is not a threat—it’s a signal. A reasonable degree of risk is normal and even healthy in a portfolio.
The best investors act when others panic, especially in endogenous crises where you understand the mechanics.
Emotional reactions during crises are inevitable, but rationality is the real competitive edge.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
The Real Test of Leadership: Crises Reveal True Skill
“When the weather is beautiful and the sea is quiet, everybody's a good sailor. It's in rough time that you can make a difference.”
Exogenous vs. Endogenous Crises: The Critical Distinction
Bonçon explains that crises are not all the same. Exogenous shocks (like pandemics or wars) come from outside the system, while endogenous ones (like 2008’s financial crisis) emerge from within. The response must differ based on the origin.
2008: The Crisis You Can Actually Enjoy
“You've actually enhanced returns by taking advantage of the crisis.”
The Market’s Surprise: When 'This Time It’s Different' Isn’t
Even when you see a crisis coming—like the early signs of COVID—markets often remain unprepared. The real shock isn’t the event, but the delayed, unanticipated policy response, like global lockdowns.
Experience Is a Blessing and a Curse
Bonçon warns that overconfidence from past experience can blind you. The 'Magnificent Seven' tech stocks aren’t a repeat of the dot-com bubble—yet many investors assume they are. The trap is mistaking similarity for sameness.
“When the weather is beautiful and the sea is quiet, everybody's a good sailor. It's in rough time that you can make a difference.”
“Most important is if you're wrong, not to stay wrong.”
“So you've actually enhanced returns by taking advantage of the crisis.”
Hosts
Guest
Yves Bonçon
person
Julius Baer
organization
2008 financial crisis
other
COVID-19 pandemic
other
World Economic Forum
organization
US-Iran war
other
Stanley Druckenmiller
person
Daniel Kahneman
person
Episode 401: André Barbault: The Astrologer Who Keeps Being Right
1h 22m • 6/17/2026
David Watumull Reveals the One Antioxidant That Actually Extends Lifespan
1h 17m • 6/1/2026
The Life Scientific: Seth Berkley
26m • 6/1/2026
Healthcare AI Policy in 2026: Only 7 of 38 OECD Countries Have an AI Strategy
13m • 6/3/2026
#349 Overcoming Transformation Fatigue in the Age of AI
34m • 6/4/2026
Start discovering podcast insights today
Start with a 7-day trial and explore a growing catalog of popular podcasts. No credit card required.
No credit card required • 7-day trial • Cancel anytime

