Best of Cowboys: Who Says No To These Hypothetical Cowboys' Draft Pick Trades?

Shan and RJ1h 6mApril 4, 2026

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The episode of 'Shan and RJ' dives into the hypothetical draft strategies for the Dallas Cowboys, focusing on whether they should trade down from pick 12 or trade up to secure top-tier defensive talent. Hosts Shan and RJ analyze a proposed trade with the Kansas City Chiefs, where Dallas would send picks 12 and 20 to move down to 29 and receive a third-round pick and additional selections. They debate the value of trading down versus trading up, emphasizing that the difference between picks 20 and 29 is minimal compared to the potential gap between picks 9 and 12. The conversation shifts to the Cowboys’ defensive needs, particularly at cornerback and linebacker, with deep dives into players like Jermon McCoy, Caleb Downs, Reuben Bain, and Sonny Stiles. Vach Lombardi joins as a special guest to discuss draft board psychology, player evaluation, and the risk of reaching at 12 when top defensive players may be off the board. The hosts also touch on Jerry Jones’ recent comments about the team’s spending, the failed Max Crosby trade, and the Cowboys’ lack of offseason moves at linebacker. Throughout, the central theme is the tension between securing elite talent early and managing risk with injury-prone prospects, especially in a draft with limited high-impact defensive talent in the first round. The episode concludes with a strong consensus that the Cowboys should be aggressive in the draft—either trading up to secure a top defender like David Bailey or Caleb Downs, or trading down to accumulate more picks while still targeting high-impact players. The hosts stress that the window for drafting elite defensive players is closing fast, and sitting at 12 without a plan could result in a suboptimal selection. They also highlight the importance of team-specific context, such as the Cowboys’ history of drafting offensive linemen and their need to diversify their defensive acquisitions. The takeaway is clear: in a draft with diminishing returns on defense, the Cowboys must act decisively—whether through trades or bold draft-night moves—to address their most pressing roster gaps.

Key Takeaways
1

Trading down from 12 to 29 with the Chiefs for a third-round pick and additional selections offers strong value and flexibility.

2

The difference between picks 20 and 29 is minimal compared to the potential gap between picks 9 and 12, making trading up to 9 more valuable.

3

Jermon McCoy’s injury history makes him a high-risk pick at 12, despite his elite traits.

4

Caleb Downs is the most versatile and immediately impactful defensive player available, capable of playing nickel, strong safety, and strong corner.

5

The Cowboys should consider trading up to 6 with Cleveland or 9 with Kansas City to secure a top-tier defensive player.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

Toyota's Resale Value Dominance

The episode opens with a commercial for Toyota, highlighting its top rankings in resale value for 2026 according to Kelly Blue Book. The ad emphasizes the long-term affordability and reliability of models like the Tacoma, Tundra, and 4Runner.

2:24
4 min

Draft Strategy Debate: Trade Down or Trade Up?

I would rather trade down at 12 than at 20. I just think because you get more value. You get more return.

Highlight
6:00
5 min

The Risk of Missing Top Defensive Talent

I think the board's going to run dry for you on the defensive players that you want when it hits 12.

Highlight
11:00
6 min

Vach Lombardi on Draft Board Psychology

If the league thinks McCoy is going to go in the third round, then I don't want to touch McCoy to the third round. That makes sense?

Highlight
17:00
6 min

The Case for Trading Up to 6 or 9

The hosts explore the feasibility of trading up to pick 6 with Cleveland or pick 9 with Kansas City. They analyze the trade value and the potential return on investment for securing a top-tier defender.

High-Impact Quotes
If you sit there at 12, you're at the end of your window of maybe your first-round grades. So now why wait and hope for the best when you can go and make a deal?
Shan66:06
Viral: 90.0
I would rather trade down at 12 than at 20. I just think because you get more value. You get more return.
RJ7:13
Viral: 85.0
If the league thinks McCoy is going to go in the third round, then I don't want to touch McCoy to the third round. That makes sense?
Vach Lombardi48:31
Viral: 82.0
Speakers

Hosts

ShanRJ

Guest

Vach Lombardi
Topics Discussed
Draft Strategy95%Defensive Talent Evaluation90%Trade Analysis88%Injury Risk in Draft Picks85%Team Needs and Positional Depth80%Player Fit and Scheme Compatibility75%Offensive Line Drafting70%Front Office Decision-Making65%
People & Brands

Dallas Cowboys

other

120xNeutral

Vach Lombardi

person

40xPositive

Jermon McCoy

person

35xMixed

Jerry Jones

person

30xNeutral

Caleb Downs

person

28xPositive

Nick Harris

person

25xNeutral

Kansas City Chiefs

other

25xNeutral

Reuben Bain

person

22xPositive

David Bailey

person

20xPositive

105.3 The Fan

other

20xPositive

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