709: Slopforking a CMS, Apple Browser Feedback, and Custom Theme CSS

ShopTalk55mApril 6, 2026

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In this episode of ShopTalk, Chris and Dave dive into a mix of tech commentary, speculative futures, and product critiques. They open with a humorous, almost cinematic vision of their future retirement—living off-grid, revered for their old-school web skills in a post-AI world where HTML knowledge is rare. The hosts reflect on the changing moviegoing experience, lamenting the post-COVID decline in blockbuster momentum and sharing personal horror movie boundaries. A key segment features an off-the-record conversation with Apple engineers, where they push for better browser testing tools, especially for Safari on non-Mac systems, and advocate for adopting the Web Install API to simplify PWA setup. They celebrate Safari 26.4’s new grid lanes feature, showing how minimal CSS can create complex, responsive layouts. The episode then shifts to a deep dive on CSS custom properties and style queries, with Dave revealing a clever trick to create inverted themes using container queries and dynamic variables—no JavaScript required. The hosts critique the growing trend of 'slop fork' projects, like Cloudflare's AI-generated Astro-based CMS (mdash), which mimics WordPress but with a different tech stack and security model. They question the long-term sustainability of such clones, especially regarding maintenance and legal risks, while acknowledging the appeal of a modern, deployable CMS that works on Cloudflare’s platform. The episode closes with a call to action: blog about your pain points to influence web standards, and join the ShopTalk Discord to discuss these ideas further.

Key Takeaways
1

Use container style queries and dynamic CSS variables to create responsive, invertible themes without JavaScript.

2

Advocate for web standards like the Web Install API to improve PWA adoption and user experience.

3

Slopforking popular software (like WordPress) with AI may be fast but raises long-term maintenance and legal concerns.

4

Browser testing across platforms (especially Safari on Windows) remains a major pain point for developers.

5

The future of CMS may lie in static, deployable systems like Astro with modern security models, not legacy PHP stacks.

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Chapters
0:00
10 min

The Dream Retirement: Living Off-Grid as a Web Legend

I want to be like, we got to bring you back for one more job. Like I want like that to be like, I have a special skill. They got to bring me back.

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10:00
10 min

The State of Moviegoing and Horror Movie Tolerance

The hosts reflect on the decline of the moviegoing rhythm post-COVID and share personal boundaries around horror films, especially those involving torture or psychological dread.

20:00
20 min

Apple Browser Feedback: PWA, Safari Testing, and Web Install API

You did it there. Like, let's just do it on Web 2 or even better, do it in the standards way where you support the web install API...

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40:00
20 min

CSS Magic: Grid Lanes and Inverted Themes with Style Queries

So you're using... what are called container style queries. Style being a function and then you're saying like, well if the theme is light but the data theme is inverted then the theme should be switched to dark.

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1:00:00
37 min

The Rise of 'Slop Forking': Cloudflare's mdash and the Future of CMS

What if the two people that worked on this, I don't know if it was two, but I doubt it wasn't ten. What if they get new jobs next week? Do you want to get a job being like, hey, can you maintain Bob's old slop fork?

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High-Impact Quotes
You did it there. Like, let's just do it on Web 2 or even better, do it in the standards way where you support the web install API...
Dave Rupert13:06
Viral: 90.0
What if the two people that worked on this, I don't know if it was two, but I doubt it wasn't ten. What if they get new jobs next week? Do you want to get a job being like, hey, can you maintain Bob's old slop fork?
Chris Coyier41:27
Viral: 88.0
I want to be like, we got to bring you back for one more job. Like I want like that to be like, I have a special skill. They got to bring me back.
Chris Coyier1:47
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Hosts

Chris CoyierDave Rupert
Topics Discussed
CSS layout and grid systems95%AI-generated software and slop forks92%future of web development90%content management systems88%browser testing and compatibility85%software sustainability and maintenance83%web standards advocacy80%theme and UI customization75%
People & Brands

Dave Rupert

person

18xNeutral

WordPress

product

16xMixed

Chris Coyier

person

15xNeutral

Safari

product

14xMixed

mdash

product

12xMixed

Apple

organization

12xPositive

Cloudflare

organization

10xPositive

Astro

product

8xPositive

Sanity

organization

5xPositive

Vite

product

4xPositive

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