709: Slopforking a CMS, Apple Browser Feedback, and Custom Theme CSS
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In this episode of ShopTalk, Chris and Dave dive into a mix of tech commentary, speculative futures, and product critiques. They open with a humorous, almost cinematic vision of their future retirement—living off-grid, revered for their old-school web skills in a post-AI world where HTML knowledge is rare. The hosts reflect on the changing moviegoing experience, lamenting the post-COVID decline in blockbuster momentum and sharing personal horror movie boundaries. A key segment features an off-the-record conversation with Apple engineers, where they push for better browser testing tools, especially for Safari on non-Mac systems, and advocate for adopting the Web Install API to simplify PWA setup. They celebrate Safari 26.4’s new grid lanes feature, showing how minimal CSS can create complex, responsive layouts. The episode then shifts to a deep dive on CSS custom properties and style queries, with Dave revealing a clever trick to create inverted themes using container queries and dynamic variables—no JavaScript required. The hosts critique the growing trend of 'slop fork' projects, like Cloudflare's AI-generated Astro-based CMS (mdash), which mimics WordPress but with a different tech stack and security model. They question the long-term sustainability of such clones, especially regarding maintenance and legal risks, while acknowledging the appeal of a modern, deployable CMS that works on Cloudflare’s platform. The episode closes with a call to action: blog about your pain points to influence web standards, and join the ShopTalk Discord to discuss these ideas further.
Use container style queries and dynamic CSS variables to create responsive, invertible themes without JavaScript.
Advocate for web standards like the Web Install API to improve PWA adoption and user experience.
Slopforking popular software (like WordPress) with AI may be fast but raises long-term maintenance and legal concerns.
Browser testing across platforms (especially Safari on Windows) remains a major pain point for developers.
The future of CMS may lie in static, deployable systems like Astro with modern security models, not legacy PHP stacks.
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The Dream Retirement: Living Off-Grid as a Web Legend
“I want to be like, we got to bring you back for one more job. Like I want like that to be like, I have a special skill. They got to bring me back.”
The State of Moviegoing and Horror Movie Tolerance
The hosts reflect on the decline of the moviegoing rhythm post-COVID and share personal boundaries around horror films, especially those involving torture or psychological dread.
Apple Browser Feedback: PWA, Safari Testing, and Web Install API
“You did it there. Like, let's just do it on Web 2 or even better, do it in the standards way where you support the web install API...”
CSS Magic: Grid Lanes and Inverted Themes with Style Queries
“So you're using... what are called container style queries. Style being a function and then you're saying like, well if the theme is light but the data theme is inverted then the theme should be switched to dark.”
The Rise of 'Slop Forking': Cloudflare's mdash and the Future of CMS
“What if the two people that worked on this, I don't know if it was two, but I doubt it wasn't ten. What if they get new jobs next week? Do you want to get a job being like, hey, can you maintain Bob's old slop fork?”
“You did it there. Like, let's just do it on Web 2 or even better, do it in the standards way where you support the web install API...”
“What if the two people that worked on this, I don't know if it was two, but I doubt it wasn't ten. What if they get new jobs next week? Do you want to get a job being like, hey, can you maintain Bob's old slop fork?”
“I want to be like, we got to bring you back for one more job. Like I want like that to be like, I have a special skill. They got to bring me back.”
Hosts
Dave Rupert
person
WordPress
product
Chris Coyier
person
Safari
product
mdash
product
Apple
organization
Cloudflare
organization
Astro
product
Sanity
organization
Vite
product
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