Episode 417: I Would Have Been Brutus
In a deep dive into the pivotal year of 1986 for the WWF, hosts John McAdam and Steve Genarelli dissect the wrestling landscape during a time of massive fragmentation and transition. With five 'world' titles floating around—NWA, WWF, AWA, UWF, and World Class—the hosts debate what truly constituted a 'world championship' in the eyes of fans, revealing that only the NWA and WWF were universally respected, while the others were seen as regional or glorified secondary titles. The episode explores hypotheticals that reveal the fragility of the WWF's dominance: what if Hulk Hogan had been injured? What if wrestlers went on strike before WrestleMania II? The consensus? The WWF’s entire brand rested on Hogan’s mythos, and without him, the company would have struggled to maintain momentum. They also examine the missed opportunity of Paul Orndorff as champion, arguing that even though he was a fan favorite, he was never the right fit for the top spot. The hosts reflect on the cultural impact of the 'Machines' angle, the rise of the Hart Foundation, and the subtle but telling shift in how the WWF began to craft its image—upgrading production values, filming in major arenas, and selling the product as 'Major League' to TV buyers. Ultimately, the episode paints 1986 not as a year of peak innovation, but as a critical turning point where the WWF began to manufacture its own mythology, setting the stage for the next decade of dominance.
The WWF's 1986 success was built on Hulk Hogan's mythos—without him, the company would have struggled to maintain momentum despite strong secondary stars.
Only the NWA and WWF titles were considered true 'world championships' in 1986; the AWA, UWF, and World Class titles were seen as regional or secondary.
The upgrade to major arenas and high-production TV tapings in 1986 made the WWF look 'Major League' to TV buyers, even if fans didn't notice the difference.
Paul Orndorff, despite being a fan favorite and a key part of the Hogan feud, was never the right choice to be WWF champion due to lack of charisma and star power.
The 'Machines' angle was fun and creative but ultimately underperformed because Andre the Giant rarely wrestled in the matches, and the gimmick wore thin quickly.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
Welcome to Stick to Wrestling: 1986 Edition
John McAdam welcomes listeners to the show, introduces the focus on 1986 WWF wrestling, and announces that the episode is driven by questions from the Facebook group. He highlights the show's community-driven format and previews the deep dive into the transitional year of 1986.
The Myth of the Five World Titles
“I felt like going into the early 80s, before the expansion war started, I was like, okay, the NWA title is the world title or at least the most prestigious title because they defend that the champion defends the title against challenges from about 10 different territories.”
What If Hogan Was Injured in 1986?
“I think it would have been, like I said, an unmitigated disaster because there was such a large gap between Hulk Hogan number one and whoever was number two.”
The Orndorff Championship Debate
“The answer was never Paul Orndorff. Now, if Hogan had gotten hurt, yeah, maybe. But at no time was Paul Orndorff the best choice to be the WWF champion.”
The Rise of the Hart Foundation
The hosts analyze the Hart Foundation's breakout year in 1986, crediting their visual upgrade (pink and black outfits) and increased exposure for their rise. They note that Bret Hart was seen as a future star, but the WWF delayed his singles push for years.
“And the answer was never Paul Orndorff. Now, if Hogan had gotten hurt, yeah, maybe. But at no time was Paul Orndorff the best choice to be the WWF champion.”
“I mean, I think it would have been, like I said, an unmitigated disaster because there was such a large gap between Hulk Hogan number one and whoever was number two.”
“I felt like going into the early 80s, before the expansion war started, I was like, okay, the NWA title is the world title or at least the most prestigious title because they defend that the champion defends the title against challenges from about 10 different territories.”
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