How Behavioral Science Can help PR Pros Understand Motivation and Decision-Making

Stories and Strategies with Curzon Public Relations20mMay 12, 2026

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The most powerful PR strategies don’t come from telling clients what to do—they come from understanding the hidden psychological forces driving their decisions. In this episode, behavioral marketing expert Roger Herney reveals that people are governed by two competing motivations: the need to be right and the need to succeed. When PR professionals push their clients to change, they often trigger resistance because being told they’re wrong activates the brain’s instinct to defend its identity. The real leverage isn’t persuasion—it’s discovery. By asking the right questions, professionals can uncover existing motivations and help clients arrive at better decisions on their own. Herney warns that AI is creating a dangerous 'cognitive surrender'—where people default to polished but unverified AI outputs, bypassing the essential human analysis of System 1 (intuition) and System 2 (deliberation). The future belongs not to those who use AI, but to those who use it wisely—verifying, contextualizing, and adding human insight. This isn’t manipulation; it’s reframing truth through behavioral science. The episode dismantles the myth that you can 'motivate' someone—instead, you must tap into what they already want. It reframes the PR professional’s role not as a teller of messages, but as a guide through the mind’s internal conflict. For communicators, the takeaway isn’t more content—it’s deeper empathy, better questioning, and the courage to step back and let clients lead.

Key Takeaways
1

You cannot motivate anyone—only tap into existing motivations like 'being right' vs. 'succeeding,' which often conflict.

2

The need to be right dominates at lower organizational levels; the need to succeed dominates at the C-suite, where outcomes matter more than ego.

3

System 3 thinking—relying on AI without human verification—is a cognitive surrender that risks poor decisions and erodes critical thinking.

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Always use System 1 (intuition) and System 2 (deliberation) before letting AI (System 3) take over—verify, question, and contextualize.

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PR professionals aren’t spin doctors—they’re behavioral guides who help clients see the same truth from a new angle.

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Chapters
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2 min

The Problem with One-Way Communication

When a doctor tells a patient they are wrong, the first motivation wins. Every time, the harder the push, the deeper the resistance.

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3 min

Motivational Interviewing: The Real Cure

The solution isn’t more authority—it’s asking better questions. Behavioral science shows that people resist being told what to do. The key is to find the motivation already present and work with it, not override it.

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5 min

The Two Competing Motivations in Every Decision

The need to be right supersedes the need to succeed at lower levels. But as you go up, responsibility for success overrides ego.

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5 min

System 1, 2, and 3: The Thinking Framework

We need to use both System 1 and System 2 in concert with AI. Don’t let System 3 replace your analysis.

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6 min

The Future of PR: Human Judgment Over AI Output

AI is a tool, not a replacement. The most valuable PR pros are those who use AI to uncover blind spots but still provide context, expertise, and ethical judgment. The future belongs to those who don’t just use AI—but verify it.

High-Impact Quotes
actually can't motivate anybody. Scientifically, you cannot do that. You can tap into an existing motivation and spur that along, but that's not technically increasing it.
Roger Herney5:08
Viral: 85.0
The people who have an AI and look for an answer, they're not going to have a job.
Roger Herney16:30
Viral: 82.0
You can't manipulate anybody. Doug, I can't make you do anything you really don't want to do that you have zero motivation, right?
Roger Herney13:10
Viral: 75.0
Speakers

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Fazana BadjewalDoug Downs

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Roger Herney
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