916: Where Solar Contractors Are Losing (and Finding) Margin | ABC Supply

SunCast41mMarch 31, 2026

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In this live episode of SunCast, host engages with Rob Smith and Eric Cheslock from ABC Supply to dissect the evolving solar market post-ITC sunset and the OBBB (Inflation Reduction Act) changes. The conversation reveals that contractors are losing margin due to outdated practices, particularly in logistics, planning, and over-reliance on same-day pickup from distributors. The shift from cash to TPO (third-party ownership) financing has created a dependency on AVLs (Approved Vendor Lists), which restrict product choice and stifle innovation. However, with private equity entering the space, AVLs are beginning to expand, allowing contractors more flexibility to choose higher-quality, lower-ROI products outside traditional lists. ABC Supply emphasizes its role not just as a supplier but as a strategic partner—offering logistics, credit terms, and hands-on training to help contractors optimize efficiency and margins. The episode highlights the growing importance of storage, the labor shortage in the solar trade, and the need for contractors to adopt smarter procurement strategies, especially in light of upcoming TPO expiration in two years. The overarching theme is that success will go to those who embrace regional models, build strong distributor relationships, and stop chasing brand names over real value. Key takeaways include: (1) Learn to sell cash deals now—TPO financing is only viable for two more years; (2) Avoid storing inventory; instead, leverage distributor logistics and credit to reduce risk; (3) Expand beyond AVLs—many non-listed products offer better performance and ROI; (4) Invest in hands-on training, not just webinars, to master new technologies like storage and VPPs; (5) Focus on business strategy, not just installation—understand financing, policy, and labor constraints; (6) Build trust with distributors as partners, not just vendors; (7) Prepare for a future dominated by regional players, not national giants; (8) Stay compliant with FIAC and domestic content rules to avoid project delays and financial loss.

Key Takeaways
1

Learn to sell cash deals now—TPO financing is only viable for two more years.

2

Avoid storing inventory; leverage distributor logistics and credit to reduce risk.

3

Expand beyond AVLs—many non-listed products offer better performance and ROI.

4

Invest in hands-on training, not just webinars, to master new technologies like storage and VPPs.

5

Focus on business strategy, not just installation—understand financing, policy, and labor constraints.

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Chapters
0:00
10 min

Setting the Stage: The Post-ITC Solar Market

My biggest thing for contractors right now in those TPO markets, learn to sell cash. Because if you wait until the end, it's too late for them.

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10:00
10 min

The Hidden Cost of Margin Erosion

If you're doing a project a day, that's five hours per person. I mean, you could literally squeeze out another project a week if you use some of these capabilities that ABC has.

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20:00
10 min

AVLs, Financing, and the Rise of Regional Players

The original goal of why everyone kind of got into the industry was to put more solar on the roof. A lot of people have forgotten that mission and its greed has been driving it probably for the past decade now.

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30:00
10 min

Storage, Education, and the Future of the Trade

The hosts and guests explore the growing dominance of storage in solar systems, driven by utility policies like time-of-use rates. ABC Supply’s hands-on training facilities and trade days are highlighted as key differentiators. The labor shortage and need for skilled tradespeople are also discussed.

40:00
2 min

The Final Call to Action: Be Smart, Not Risky

Buy smart. Don’t store. Because you don’t want to be stuck with a product.

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High-Impact Quotes
Buy smart. Don’t store. Because you don’t want to be stuck with a product.
Rob Smith39:08
Viral: 88.0
My biggest thing for contractors right now in those TPO markets, learn to sell cash. Because if you wait until the end, it's too late for them.
Host0:11
Viral: 85.0
The future is regional. Not national. Not mega-scale. Regional players are the ones who will survive.
Rob Smith67:36
Viral: 83.0
Speakers

Host

Host

Guests

Rob SmithEric Cheslock
Topics Discussed
Post-ITC Market Transition92%AVLs and Financing Constraints90%Contractor Margin Optimization88%Regional vs National Contractors85%Solar Storage and VPPs82%Distributor as Strategic Partner80%FIAC and Domestic Content Compliance78%Labor Shortage in Solar Trade75%
People & Brands

ABC Supply

organization

45xPositive

Rob Smith

person

28xPositive

Eric Cheslock

person

25xPositive

AVL

other

22xMixed

TPO

other

15xNeutral

ITC

other

12xNeutral

California

place

10xNeutral

FIAC

other

10xNeutral

OBBB

other

8xNeutral

CPS Americas

organization

6xPositive

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