1011: tmux + Terminal Maxxing with Ben Vinegar
Ben Vinegar, co-founder of Modem and a self-proclaimed 'non-annoying terminal guy,' reveals how he’s transformed his development workflow into a fully remote, agent-driven system using Tmux, SSH, and custom open-source tools. The core insight? Running AI agents on a dedicated, isolated machine—rather than on your local laptop—solves the critical problems of performance, reliability, and security. By SSHing into a beefy basement server via Tailscale and using Tmux as a shared, persistent workspace, Ben enables his agents to not only run continuously but also interact with the terminal environment as if they were human developers. This includes reading logs, navigating panes, and even controlling the UI via mouse input over SSH. What’s revolutionary is that he’s built tools like Hunk (a responsive, GitHub-style diff viewer) and TermDraw (a terminal-based diagramming tool) to make the terminal feel like a modern IDE—without sacrificing portability or control. The episode exposes a growing tension in the AI era: do we want AI to be a black box, or do we want it to be a transparent, collaborative partner in our workflows? Ben’s answer is clear: the future is a terminal that’s both powerful and human-readable. The episode also delivers a sobering cautionary tale: agents can misinterpret intent and cause real damage—like accidentally opening public GitHub issues—highlighting why running them in isolated, gated environments is non-negotiable.
Run AI agents on a remote, dedicated machine (not your laptop) to avoid performance throttling and ensure 24/7 uptime.
Use Tmux as a persistent, shareable terminal workspace that agents can navigate, read, and control via CLI commands.
Enable mouse support over SSH to interact with terminal UIs like GUIs—no need for remote desktops.
Build custom tools like Hunk (GitHub-style diff viewer) and TermDraw (ASCII diagram editor) to make the terminal feel modern and responsive.
Never run agents in 'dangerous mode' on your personal machine—use isolated environments to prevent accidental data loss.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
Ben Vinegar Returns: Terminal Maxxing and AI Project Management
Scott and Wes welcome Ben Vinegar back to Syntax for his third appearance, setting the stage for a deep dive into his terminal setup and AI-driven development workflow. Ben’s background as a former general manager of Syntax and co-founder of Modem— an AI product manager—positions him as a pioneer in agentic coding.
Why Ben Runs Agents on Remote Machines
“I just started running my agents by shelling into machines least or whatever, like get a droplet or get a VPS from Hertzner or DigitalOcean. I've done a lot of that.”
Tmux as the Agent’s Workspace
“You can detach and reattach to your Tmux session from anywhere, whether that's Ghosty or iTerm or another computer in a different room.”
The Power of Terminal GUIs: Mouse, TUIs, and OpenTui
“I didn't even know until the last year that you could use your mouse over the terminal. I really did not.”
Hunk: A GitHub-Style Diff Viewer for the Terminal
Ben built Hunk—a responsive, GitHub-like diff viewer for the terminal—using React and the Diffs.com library. It supports mouse navigation, file pickers, and agent-driven CLI commands, making code review enjoyable.
“But because of the context, because of what they were talking about, it decided that what the user wanted was to go and open a public issue on an open source repository. So modem just went, as you've probably seen people talk about, just went and opened an open source ticket on behalf of this user, which is not what they wanted.”
“One is that you can detach and reattach to your Tmux session from anywhere, whether that's Ghosty or iTerm or another computer in a different room.”
“So look, I just started running my agents by shelling into machines least or whatever, like get a droplet or get a VPS from Hertzner or DigitalOcean. I've done a lot of that.”
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