Charles Lemonides of ValueWorks LLC on $RIVN, $JOBY, $BA, $AMZN and his $TPL short | S08 E12
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In this episode of The Acquirers Podcast, host Tobias Carlisle welcomes Charles Lemonides, CIO and founder of ValueWorks LLC, to discuss his deep value investment philosophy and current portfolio holdings. Lemonides emphasizes a disciplined approach to value investing—buying assets for less than their intrinsic worth, regardless of traditional valuation metrics. He defends unconventional positions in Rivian and Joby Aviation, arguing that their competitive advantages, technological leadership, and strong balance sheets justify their valuations despite being far from the 'bottom half' of the valuation spectrum. He also discusses Boeing’s turnaround under new management, Amazon’s undervalued business portfolio, and a short position in Texas Pacific Land (TPL), which he views as a classic case of overvaluation driven by irrational confidence. The episode also features a compelling analogy comparing investment strategies to the human immune system, with 'innate' rules (diversification, cash reserves) protecting against immediate threats and 'adaptive' memory (studying past market cycles) enabling long-term success. Lemonides reflects on his experiences through major market events like 1987 and the dot-com bubble, underscoring the importance of building investment 'memory' through historical study to navigate future crises. Key takeaways include: 1) True value investing is about buying assets for less than their real worth, not just cheap price-to-earnings ratios; 2) Rivian and Joby represent high-conviction bets on future mobility trends with strong moats and scalable models; 3) Boeing’s operational improvements and supply-demand imbalance make it a compelling recovery story; 4) Amazon remains undervalued despite its size, with its businesses collectively worth significantly more than its market cap; 5) TPL is a prime example of a 'value trap' where past performance has bred overconfidence; 6) Building a resilient investment strategy requires both mechanical guardrails and deep historical learning; 7) The most successful investors are those who study market history not to predict the future, but to build the pattern recognition needed to act when opportunity arises; 8) Avoiding emotional reactions to market manias requires discipline and a long-term perspective grounded in experience.
True value investing means buying assets for less than their intrinsic worth, not just low valuation multiples.
Rivian and Joby represent high-conviction bets on future mobility with strong moats, scalable models, and technological leadership.
Boeing’s operational turnaround under new management and unmet global demand make it a compelling recovery story.
Amazon’s businesses are collectively worth $3 trillion, yet it trades at a $2 trillion market cap—creating a significant margin of safety.
Texas Pacific Land (TPL) is a classic value trap, where past performance has bred overconfidence and inflated valuations.
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Introduction and ValueWorks Philosophy
Tobias Carlisle welcomes Charles Lemonides, CIO and founder of ValueWorks LLC, to discuss his deep value investment philosophy. Lemonides explains that ValueWorks focuses on buying assets for less than their intrinsic worth, regardless of traditional valuation metrics, aiming for a diversified portfolio built on disciplined value principles.
Rivian: The Future of Electric Vehicles
“They've invested almost $40 billion... to get what they have today. It'll cost someone else that much money and then some to be there in the future.”
Joby Aviation and the Future of Urban Air Mobility
“These things work today... with the technology that was designed into these batteries two and three years ago.”
Boeing and Amazon: Turnarounds and Undervaluation
“They're great, great businesses... you're paying two [trillion] for three [trillion].”
The Immune System Analogy: Innate vs. Adaptive Investing
“Your survival comes from rules, but the exceptional returns come from memory.”
“Your survival comes from rules, but the exceptional returns come from memory.”
“It's a great, great story of people having too much confidence in a name.”
“They've invested almost $40 billion... to get what they have today. It'll cost someone else that much money and then some to be there in the future.”
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Charles Lemonides
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ValueWorks LLC
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Rivian
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Tobias Carlisle
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Joby Aviation
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Boeing
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Jake
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Amazon
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Texas Pacific Land
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Tesla
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