JF 4217: From Law to Construction: A Unique Journey ft. Matt McGovern
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In this episode of The Best Ever CRE Show, host Ash Patel welcomes Matt McGovern, a unique professional who transitioned from a commercial attorney to a construction company manager and real estate developer in Topeka, Kansas. Matt shares his unconventional journey, including a pivotal bet with his father that led him to law school, followed by a career in real estate and contract law before returning to his roots in construction. His first major commercial deal was acquiring a historic 11-story tower complex—Jayhawk Tower—alongside ancillary properties, including the State Theater of Kansas, which he’s now rehabbing into a 1,400-person music venue. The episode dives into his value-add strategy, emphasizing hands-on construction expertise, creative financing through tax credits and grants, and a preference for controlling projects without outside investors. Matt emphasizes passion, problem-solving, and team dynamics over pure profit, and he shares insights on how his legal training sharpened his negotiation, sales, and analytical skills. He also discusses his vision for mixed-use developments, co-working spaces, and leveraging local incentives to maximize returns. Key takeaways include: (1) A career shift from law to construction can create powerful synergies in real estate development; (2) Value-add opportunities thrive when you combine operational expertise with ownership; (3) Strategic use of historic tax credits, opportunity zones, and government incentives can dramatically improve project economics; (4) Controlling your own projects offers freedom and flexibility, even if it limits scale; (5) Problem-solving and team collaboration are more rewarding than chasing quick profits. The episode closes with a strong endorsement of Lennar Investor Marketplace for data-driven new construction investing and Bill for Property Management as a tool for streamlining operations.
Combining legal training with construction expertise creates a unique competitive edge in real estate development.
Value-add projects succeed when you control both the development and construction phases.
Historic preservation projects can be highly profitable through tax credits, grants, and opportunity zone benefits.
Avoiding outside investors preserves control, flexibility, and team alignment—key for long-term satisfaction.
Co-working and mixed-use spaces in historic buildings can drive NOI and tenant engagement.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
The Investor Acquisition Problem
“If you're raising capital and still chasing investors, you don't have a deal problem. You have an investor acquisition problem.”
Introducing Matt McGovern: From Law to Construction
Ash and Tan introduce Matt McGovern, a former commercial attorney who returned to construction and now manages a general contracting and industrial millwright company in Topeka, Kansas. His unique background blends legal precision with hands-on building expertise.
The Journey from Law to Construction
Matt shares his unconventional path: a bet with his father led him to law school, where he specialized in real estate and contract law. After three years, he returned to construction, leveraging his legal experience to better understand deals and negotiations.
The First Commercial Deal: Jayhawk Tower Complex
“I was rolling two balls at once... and that is eventually what happened.”
Rehabbing the State Theater: A Vision for the Future
“It'll be a blast. It'll be a ton of fun. That is incredible.”
“If you're raising capital and still chasing investors, you don't have a deal problem. You have an investor acquisition problem.”
“I love problems. I love when they come up. It's almost like this is why I exist.”
“I like being in control. Yeah. I like my partner and I. I like our dynamic.”
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Matt McGovern
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Ash Patel
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Tan Trong
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Jayhawk Tower
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State Theater of Kansas
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Senni and Company
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Lennar Investor Marketplace
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Bill for Property Management
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M1 Real Capital
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Opportunity Zone
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